Introducing Vivaldi Mail in Technical Preview
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Umm.. am I doing something wrong?
I updated to 3.5.2115.4 but I don't see any of the new panels in the panel list?
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I would love to use this for my work email, but I cannot find any info on Microsoft Exchange. Are there any plans of supporting this? Btw this is great news! The anticipation of M3 after Opera Mail disappeared was actually the reason I started using Vivaldi in the first place. I tried it out on my home PC, and it looks great! Even better than the old M2.
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@eriklothe Probably not implemented yet. You can do a request.
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@ChPr
Hi, did you enabled it in vivaldi://experiments ?
You have to add mail icon in panel with right mouse click context menu.Cheers, mib
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@Hadden89 Thanks
I submitted one here now: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/54422/support-for-microsoft-exchange -
Ahh... of course the most important information was a the bottom of there article. This is what I get for being lazy. Yeah now I got mail. Thanks.
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Hi!
Does the new Vivaldi Mail (M3) store mail in the same format as some popular mail client, or is it a completely original proprietary format? This kind of information is useful for backing up or archiving emails with gadgets like MailStore Home or the old Mailbag Assistant.
Thanks.
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@Gwen-Dragon
Thanks!
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@eriklothe You could perhaps try using Davmail. It works for some PCs and Exchange accounts, but YMMV depending on corporate policies, firewalls etc.
It's a little program that sits in your tray, running in the background. It connects to your Exchange server, and acts as a little IMAP server on your local machine. So you point Davmail at your corporate Exchange server, and then point your preferred mail client (e.g. M3) at 127.0.0.1 or "localhost", and your mail client just sees a regular IMAP server.
It's written in Java, so should work on any platform.
If you're a Linux user, Evolution used to have a plugin where it could talk directly to Exchange, just like Outlook, but I haven't used Evolution in a good while... and of course it's not the eagerly-anticipated M3!
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@jamesbeardmore I'll check that out, thanks! Yes, Evolution works with Exchange, it's the client I'm currently using. It's a pretty good client, but M3 will be an upgrade for sure.
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Glad to see this feature promised when vivaldi launched is finally available. A couple things I really need before I can finally drop thunderbird:
- One-click move-to-folder button in the toolbar, with keyboard shortcut. This is for the GMail-style "archive everything and get to inbox zero" type workflow.
- Mark email read when previewed. The distinction between unseen and unread is interesting, but I already prefer "unread" to work the way "unseen" does in vivaldi by default, and don't want to be constantly pressing K while dealing with email. I do not use my email as a to-do list, I have a to-do list for that.
Something I have retrospected on over the past few years trying different mail clients, is that many people struggle with dealing with email, but just as many people have their own workflows figured out and specific behaviors/features they rely on, and people who use mail clients rather than webmail tend to be the latter category. I think an important capability of Vivaldi as a heavily customizable browser is to not just have an effective default workflow, but to enable people to use the workflows they prefer. While I could make the Vivaldi default workflow work for me (i.e. start using unseen and not archiving ever), I could also make Google Chrome work for me instead of having a more flexible browser. So, I hope flexibility is planned for the mail client, in addition to these default workflows.
As for the calendar, I'm unfortunately not able to use it yet, as my account is an exchange account. Exchange supports IMAP now, but my current solution for using the exchange calendar is to export it to an .ics file, which thunderbird is able to load. While I know integrating with exchange's "real calendar" is likely impossible, it doesn't seem like Vivaldi is able to just open a local .ics file as a calendar (I tried like a file:/// url in the existing calendar types), which seems like a pretty simple feature, so I'd like to see this added as well.
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@deinonychuscowboy
Hi, I am not tested this but you can import calendar files from the file menu > Import Calendar.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin Cool, this worked, thanks.
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Based on the UI, I assume importing an .ics file will not auto-refresh/re-import the calendar regularly. The .ics file is updated every 15 minutes, and I have thunderbird set to refresh from that file every 5 minutes, so it would be nice if this was possible in Vivaldi too without doing it manually.
Also, when importing the file, vivaldi spams a billion "event created" notifications, these should probably be suppressed when importing.
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@deinonychuscowboy , we will likely provide those mail options in the future. We are Vivaldi after all and we listen to our users.
That being said, it is interesting that the workflow you describe is basically my workflow. When I click a mail, it gets marked seen. This is in many ways the same way as mails are marked as read in other clients. The next step for me is to mark the mail as read. That is similar to archiving mails, except you can still find them in the same place, if you like. The key is to get to know the different filters and thus select what is shown in a view.
CEO & Co-founder Vivaldi
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@jon Right, it occurred to me as I was typing that the differences between the two workflows are more cosmetic than anything else. The idea of having email build up in all my folders, filters or no, instead of having one dedicated archives folder bothers me, but I'd probably get used to it if I tried it. Relying on a vivaldi-specific concept like unseen vs. unread when I do occasionally use other mail clients (such as outlook web app from other computers for this exchange account) that won't support or display it the same way also seems suboptimal. A benefit to the gmail-like model is it looks and works exactly the same from any mail client, even if that client does not have an unseen concept or easy mail filtering.
These are pretty minor complaints (which is a great sign, I'm very picky about UI things in mail clients and the implemented UI aligns pretty well with what I want after some configuration), but still enough to make me more comfortable continuing to use thunderbird (as much as it sucks these days) until I can move my current workflow over to vivaldi unchanged, and maybe revisit that workflow once I'm settled. I look forward to the eventual official release of the mail client with more features like this and appreciate your work making the only browser (and now mail client) that actually cares about customizability anymore.
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@guigirl , in reality there are a lot of filters in Vivaldi, but they are created automatically. The point is to save time so you do not need to spend time moving mail around. Thus I would see no reason to not have unlimited filters. Should we find any speed bumps on the way, we will deal with them.
Our filtering will develop based on the feedback we get from you all. We know it is not as powerful as it should be as yet.
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@deinonychuscowboy , as a note, there is some significant value in keeping mails in place. You can enter a view and reduce what is shown in the view, using the toggle buttons, before searching. The point is to make it really easy to find mails that you may not have looked at in years. I can tell you that for me with my 600k mails, it is very useful.
CEO & Co-founder Vivaldi
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@jon said in Introducing Vivaldi Mail in Technical Preview:
We are Vivaldi after all and we listen to our users.
So true!
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@jon said in Introducing Vivaldi Mail in Technical Preview:
@deinonychuscowboy , as a note, there is some significant value in keeping mails in place. You can enter a view and reduce what is shown in the view, using the toggle buttons, before searching. The point is to make it really easy to find mails that you may not have looked at in years. I can tell you that for me with my 600k mails, it is very useful.
@jon, indeed a good mail client needs a powerful search to dig into years/decades of mail. For that it is essential that the search can also search in ONLINE imap folders, without downloading them. (essential for people that use ssd-drives with limited storage, like laptops, tablets, phones).
That will also make vivaldi faster and leaner. Because now, I have downloaded 5 gmail accounts, and vivaldi just gets stuck. It freezes at startup and i cannot even use the browser anymore. Is this a known bug?
