Support for Microsoft Exchange
-
I would like to request support for connecting outlook mail accounts through Microsoft Exhcange. (My work email can only be connected through Exchange, and M3 would be perfect for organizing the many automated emails I receive at work!)
Ps. thanks for this release. I have been looking forward to M3 for years!
-Erik -
Note that Exchange servers can support IMAP and SMTP that M3 can connect to if the admin turns it on for the server and you know the server names and ports. That'd give you basic access to your messages. Would still be nice to have full Exchange protocol support though of course.
-
@eriklothe said in Support for Microsoft Exchange:
M3 would be perfect for organizing the many automated emails I receive at work!
M3's only an alpha (i.e. it's buggy prototype software). Should you really be using it for important work e-mails?
-
Thanks for the tip, but I don't expect M3 to be a technical preview forever
-
@burnout426 Yes, although in many organizations this is deliberately disabled because of the extra security measures that exchange provide.
-
Supporting Active Sync would be beneficial for folks who want to use Vivaldi in a work environment with an exchange or HCL domino servers (... when M3 is ready and IT allows it obviously).
-
Any news about this request?
Vivaldi Mail has come a long way since december, but this request has not gotten any attention.
I have multiple Exchange accounts at work, that I would love to use in Vivaldi, but POP and IMAP are disabled. I therefore hope that this will be implemented soon.
-
@dannilundgren I imagine that part of the issue with implementing Exchange support is that Exchange is a proprietary protocol, and official support through services like MS ActiveSync cost money, to the tune of $100k per year min (or royalty based if that's higher). It's possibly not overly feasible for a free browser developed by a smaller company with less than 100 people - at least not this early in the mail product's lifecycle.
Are your POP3 and IMAP support currently completely blocked, or just locked behind OAuth2 authentication? Newer O365 accounts have the older, basic authentication blocked off (and all will soon), so there's only a few mail clients that will work even if POP3 and IMAP are enabled (right now Vivaldi isn't one of them - but they have standard OAuth for Google, so it might be something they can implement more easily than Exchange, if it's just Authentication restrictions keeping you out).
Overall I'd say Exchange could still happen - I just wouldn't expect it until the mail client takes off a bit more and is more mature, given related costs. Then again I've no idea what Vivaldi's funding model is, so who knows? Could be sooner.
-
I would also ask for the support of Microsoft Exchange. In the past I could access my university mail account with Opera Mail and I've been waiting for years for Vivaldi to finally add a mail client to be able to have everything in one program again (as it was with Opera before .. well ... you know what happened). And now I find out that I couldn't access my university mail account with Vivaldi anyway.
For me, the point of having a mail client in a browser always was this high level of integration of two closely related things, plus having fewer programs installed on my system. I'm not that informed on these issues, but Microsoft Exchange seems to be some kind of new standard (it seems to be pretty widespread). If so, having a mail client integrated into my browser only makes sense for me if this mail client supports every relevant standard, because otherwise I'd have to use another client anyway for the affected mail accounts. But then I might as well use all my mail accounts with that mail client instead of using M3.
Also, if things like Microsoft Exchange really become the norm (or at least very common), the question arises if - at least in the long run - mail clients without support for it will become pointless. So, if anything of what I said before makes any sense, is there even another option than to support it at some point?
Maybe I'm just exaggerating because I'm angry that once again something I like has stopped working (and Microsoft is behind it
). Please feel free to tear my (perhapt insufficiently informed) reasoning apart. ^^Lenovo Thinkpad E14 Gen. 2 [AMD Ryzen 5 4500U, 16GB RAM, Radeon (Vega) 6 Integrated Graphics, Windows 10 Pro 21H1 (Build 19043.1706)].
-
Agreed, without Exchange support, this client does not meet the need of a single-built-in email client. Not only is the exchange connection needed, but the activesync aspect so that contacts and calendars can be syncronized. This email client needs to make the browser convenient and easy, similar to a cell phone experience of just adding the account and syncing emails, calendars, contacts if they are associated. All of the contacts that I email are in my activesync contacts stored in multiple exchange accounts. - how else does anyone manage 1000's of contacts and syncing them between devices (my tablets, cell phones, and computers). Only my 2 cents after getting excited about seeing the new built in client and having hopes I could drop having to use single logins into outlook.office365.com in multiple windows for multiple accounts.
-
@3gg3r MS Exchange compatibility is extremely difficult to write for. It can be done, and probably ultimately will, but it should not be taken for granted.
It is only a normal "standard" for some enterprises. I don't think it will ever catch on, or be needed, for private individuals and small businesses. For instance, I've been using email privately, in small firms, and for my own business for over 25 years and never encountered it in the wild. The largest firm I ever worked at had about 120 personnel. At one point they tried to introduce MS Exchange for internal communications and eventually gave it up as a nightmare and went with Novell (now MicroFocus) GroupWise instead. That said, people who need it, need it, and so M3 will grow into it.
-
@ayespy Quick question, because I may have misunderstood something:
Is it correct that Microsoft is about to remove support for basic authentication (OAuth I think it's called) from Exchange servers, not the support for IMAP/SMTP? And that IMAP/SMTP will then only work with OAuth 2.0? Because I thought at first that IMAP/SMTP support would be removed.
I ask because I tried again to connect to my university's mail server via IMAP/SMTP and this time it worked. So what I said in my earlier post turned out to be wrong (in my first try to connect a week ago there must have been a typo or something, although I tried several times and didn't notice anything wrong). I also asked my university about IMAP/SMTP support and they said they didn't turn it off and don't intend to.
My question now is, if Vivaldi connects using OAuth or OAuth2 (or if it can use OAuth2 when it becomes neccessary). If Vivaldi doesn't support OAuth2 and Microsoft will end support for basic authentication on Exchange servers I wouldn't be able to connect to the mail server at some point in the future. In this thread, Arcsane implied in a post written on June 23rd that Vivaldi doesn't support OAuth2. Another user wrote in another thread on September 22nd that it does support it now. I can't find information about it (e.g. in changelogs).
Does Vivaldi support OAuth2?
-
@3gg3r M3 supports IMAP/SMTP login, POP3 login, and OAuth2, the last of which logs one into an entire account, not just email. Google/GMail uses OAuth2. This is also the protocol used when sites offer you to "Log in using Google" or "Log in using Facebook."
Further, M3 allows you to set up "app specific login" on GMail, which is a protocol where GMail issues you a long, secure key to use to log in using a specific app only.
The MS Identity Platform also supports OAuth2 for logging into an entire account, all services for which you use the same MS identity (cloud services, Outlook 365, One Drive, etc.)
-
@ayespy Thank you for both of your replies.
I've now read articles and announcements on Microsofts Techcommunity about this for the whole afternoon and must say it's all somewhat confusing, so I have another question about this and hope you (or anyone who reads this) can answer it:
Does this (I mean M3 supporting OAuth2) mean that if an Exchange server doesn't allow 'basic authentication' anymore but also doesn't have IMAP/SMTP disabled, that M3 could connect to that Exchange server via OAuth2?
-
@3gg3r The capability would be there. Details might have to be hashed out, as to M3 and the appropriate server recognizing and interacting with each other. The aim is for M3 to be able to serve pretty much anywhere any mail client is able to serve.
-
@ayespy Thanks. That's good to hear.
Finally, an off-topic question regarding my last post: When I was about to submit that post, it didn't read "Microsofts Techcommunity" but instead I had it written as a link to that website. When trying to submit my post, it was then always flagged as spam. When I changed the wording to what it is now, it worked.
Is there something wrong with that particular website, or are links generally problematic for some reason?
-
@3gg3r It's something about the forum's anti-spam guards, not about any specific site.
-
This post is deleted!
