Any word on M3? (internal mail client)

[Ayespy]

@saudiqbal said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

Vivaldi should have never said that they will include an email client in a browser.

They said they would, and they will. No one deceived anyone.

They said so at the beginning, because they were already working on it (before the first Vivaldi Technical Preview came out), and they thought it would be easier and faster than it was. In fact there was a rudimentary working mail client within the first couple of months. I saw it. It turns out that building an email client utilizing Presto, over which they had total control, was much less complex than trying to build one using Blink. Live and learn.

I would have imagined that a mail client could not have been built on top of Blink. I would have been wrong about that.

[stardepp]

@saudiqbal From the Russian Vivaldi Forum, Vivaldi team member Shpankov reports that M3 will be released later this year. I made this screenshot after translating this Vivaldi page from Russian to English:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/49356/дождаться-не-могу/3?_=1596429098869

[Ayespy]

@stardepp Shpankov is closer to the boss than I am, but I do know that Jon is just itching to get it out.

[stardepp]

@Ayespy ...good to know

[fifonik]

A bit strange to hear that google is changing something in gmail that is causing issues in M3 while my M2 works fine. Well, I understand that the issue may lie within something that I do not use. Nevertheless...

[Ayespy]

@fifonik M2 was built on Presto, while M3 is built on Blink - forcing, for one thing at least, OAuth2 - which M2 does not use. Further, M2 permits (but can hide) duplicate copies of emails, which M3 prevents - but this means M3 must also comply with GMail's non-standard (and changing) handling of folders. I don't know all of the other details. I do know there is something with GMail's handling of indexes and headers which plays hob with M3's ability to fetch some old and non-standardly-coded (or perhaps indexed but non-existent) emails.

Other email providers have stuck with a standard methodology for IMAP and POP3 for decades. They are less-problematic.

[jumpsq]

Thanks for the information.
I'd say that Google should be able to consider standards, but I know they rather try to change the standards until they meet their needs, and if they cannot achieve this, they will just not care anyway. Especially on their mail, it gives them more private information when they force people to use their website, there is no real incentive that I can think of to allow for other clients except that their own staff and "power-users" would probably be shitting them (and possibly support for other features like certificates).

I know that it's totally off-topic, but please someone educate me on how to hide duplicate or even filter mails in M2. Something I have been interested in for a while. I guess that you cannot filter by Message-ID somehow, but if you could, that would be awesome. Or I understood you wrong, but in this case I have no idea what you are talking about.
(Sorry @Ayespy. I'm eager to know, but I get if you do not want to go further into this.)

[mib2berlin]

@jumpsq
Hi, I set up M2 today for a friend and stuck first with the filters and folders, too.
Filter are working like other clients do it, "From" "Include" and so forth but M2 does not have folder, it use labels. Select a mail and label it to "Friends", for example.
It show up in "Unread" and "Friends", open context menu on the label > Properties and in Options is a checkbox "Show in other folder", or similar (German translation).
Check it and the mail disappear from "Unread" but not really move.
If you delete the mail in the label it is deleted everywhere.
I hope it is understandable, my englisch is not good but rusty.

Cheers, mib

[burnout426]

@Ayespy said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

M2 was built on Presto, while M3 is built on Blink - forcing, for one thing at least, OAuth2

Are you referring to something like M3 using sockets requiring an initial http handshake, which therefore forces oAuth for authentication?

[Ayespy]

@burnout426 I don't know the mechanics of it.

[burnout426]

@Ayespy No problem. Thanks.

[Folgore101]

@mib2berlin Hi, that's how it works. The mail is not actually moved but only displayed on the label. I hope they implement it in M3 as well.

[mib2berlin]

@Folgore101
Hm, I like folder structure more.
If I set up a filter the mail should really move to a different place not get imaginary invisible.
I had to change the folder structure at the mail provider setup to even get all mails received to Opera Mail.
May be there is a setting label or folder structure as usual for Vivaldi.
I hope we get our hands on M3 very soon.

Cheers, mib

[Folgore101]

@mib2berlin Maybe it depends on habits, i've been using M2 for almost 20 years and i'm comfortable with labels.
For M3 hopefully this is really the year in which it comes out, now M2 is beginning to feel the years passing.
For my use, M3 is already at a good level, i'm just missing a couple of things that i hope to implement soon.

[jrsilvey]

@Codehunter

I've been waiting for M3 since the 2016 release of Vivaldi as well. Yes, I am frustrated by the lack of an integrated email client into the browser. However, I completely disagree with your opinion that Vivaldi doesn't seen a need for unique features.

I use the web panels every day to use Twitter, Vivaldi Mail, and do web searches. Every bookmark that I make ends up being tagged and named so I can easily call them up. Notes has become a full fledged word processor. I cannot tell you how important it's become to my daily life to be able to highlight text, send it to Note, and have the url of the web page, a screenshot of the webpage, and the text itself stored and easily organized for later use. I use it almost, but not quite, as much as Vivaldi's native screencapturing tool (which I have customized to show me the website name, webpage title, date and time automatically). Oh, I almost forgot about tab hibernation and tab stacking which are incredibly important in keeping my workflow organized.

To do that on Chrome I would have to install the following Extensions: OneNote, ToDoist, The Great Suspender, Numbis Screenshot, a bookmarker like Papaly or Atavi, and individual extensions for Twitter/FB/Instagram, OH! And don't forget, WebRTC Limiter extension since Chrome doesn't allow you to turn WebRTC off on the settings like Vivaldi does.

Sure, I would like an email client from Vivaldi. We all would.

But I'm extremely happy of the work the lengths they have gone in order to give me some of the most important features I use every single day multiple times a day. An email client would dramatically help me integrate email into my workflow in a way that I can't right now BUT I couldn't do half of what I do now without the features Vivaldi has built into their browser.

[Pinkmeister]

I'm still wondering why we couldn't have gotten a simple RSS client built-in years ago. Why does it have to be tied-in with M3? Will there even be an RSS client?

[Priest72]

@Pinkmeister i would doubt it.
if it has been years and still no inclusion then it is a sure bet the idea is abandoned.

[Hadden89]

@Priest72 The RSS icon in settings was (deliberately?) leaked several snapshots ago; pretty sure will come with mail. When, is a mystery. I'd risk to say towards xmas.

[Pesala]

@Priest72 Don’t spread conspiracy theories. Vivaldi are not going to abandon five years of work just because it is difficult to complete.

Insiders like @Ayespy and @Gwen-Dragon are already using it. Jón is also using it, of course.

The first technical previews even had a place-holder for the mail panel.

This may be unrelated to the mail client, but if you use the default shortcut to Open the next panel (Alt+F7), you will notice a blank panel after the Window Panel.

Reported as: (VB-70584)

[Priest72]

If the mail client is going to appear then all is good.
Hmm maybe a poll on this forum about whether a mail client is wanted/needed would of been a good idea.

But i will say if the mail client was announced 5 years ago then expect potential users to be asking questions as 5 years is a stretch.

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