Google reCAPTCHA and Vivaldi Privacy Policy
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@gwen-dragon said in Google reCAPTCHA and Vivaldi Privacy Policy:
@catweazle Nice hit but the technique is a bad idea (not your fault!), sorry.
It is not accessible without mouse and nothing for people with disabilitiies! #a11yPlease do not exclude!
I know, it was only an idea, but the same thing happens with the Google Captcha.
There are other OpenSource alternatives, more traditional with keyboard and also hearing, but these are also easier to overcome by bots. (My OCR program sometimes deciphers them better than me: /). -
The big issue here is that the w3c has labelled all of these "captcha" technologies as "Experimental" (last I looked)... So it's User Beware".
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@Gwen-Dragon said:
The W3C tells website developers that Captchas should not be used if WCAG/WAI (Web Accessability) is important.
Against this background, Captchas are not only a privacy problem, but also tendentially a violation of human rights, because human groups are systematically excluded → UN Human Rights. In my opinion, spam protection technology with such collateral damage should generally not be used.
@gaelle said in Google reCAPTCHA and Vivaldi Privacy Policy:
… We are getting rid of Google Re-Captcha. Currently it's still present in 1 or 2 places but it will be removed very soon …
Thanks for your answer! Then I can remove the ugly hint in the german Arch Linux article.
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@wernerfp Furthermore, strict privacy enforcing client setting with selective JS / resource access, randomization/change of user agent string and canvas protection often leads Google to assume automated systems and completely deny access for at least limited time. I am not sure if all website owners employing ReCAPTCHA are aware of these limitations.
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@gwen-dragon Yes! Just another reason for developers to be looking for alternatives.
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Not only for privacy a captcha must be OpenSource.
According to my point of view, the problem lies in finding a system that is, on the one hand, bots-proof, which rules out traditional systems of identifying distorted letters, easily surmountable by bots at the moment, but on the other hand, it is easy enough to handle them. people with visual and motor disabilities.
Or failing that, look for another system to avoid spambot entry, which currently represent a problem for many pages, which is not small.
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@catweazle said in Google reCAPTCHA and Vivaldi Privacy Policy:
Turing Test?
CAPTCHA = Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart ...
As far as I know, we still don't have a reliable turing test. Either it's too easy for the computer or too hard for people.
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I think that any and all captchas will soon be solvable by programs, especially if they get popular enough. Not much point in investing time in developing systems for this purpose.
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@luetage Exactly. The only effect then will be to annoy humans and possibly deny access to "legitimate" users.
Oh, and contribute to Google's business efforts without return and for free in case of ReCAPTCHA...
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Another possibility is to dispense with a captcha with a Honeypot method, it consists in creating in the registration field an invisible field for a human, but not for a bot. That is, if this invisible field is filled in, access is blocked.
https://jennamolby.com/how-to-prevent-form-spam-by-using-the-honeypot-technique/
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I just solved 15 captchas in a row (and I got 4 times confirmation that I was set) and still this topic would not load, so I had to deactivate my proxy to make it work. This is just broken, please fix it and find a way to make the forums accessible from the tor network.
Since Vivaldi tries to break free from google, it should also make its forums independent from this shit. -
@Gwen-Dragon I did in February 2018. Please see VB-37935
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One may just offer a hidden service for this purpose then, but I really dislike having to exclude vivaldi.net from my proxy. This is not the free network we (Jon) are talking about.
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