Vivaldi M3 - mail client, when?
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@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 - mail client, when?:
But you may write it in some office textwriter program, which has real grammar checking, and copy&paste it into the mail client.
That won't happen unless I am writing an important blog post or something. For regular forum use it would be enough to flag common homophones like their, they're, there, or you and you're.
There are some Open Source lightproof sentence checkers for English. If it's added for English, then other authors may gradually create the sources for other languages.
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@Quinca71 I tried an extension called Grammerly. It's OK, but just a bit too intrusive. It may be helpful for non-native English speakers.
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@Quinca71 said in M3 - mail client, when?:
May the long digression be forgiven me.
Sometimes I have the impression that you're using some sort of a Yoda translator, but that's fine...
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I still like M2.
I won't need a mail client waisting so much space on my disk or in my compters memory. … cause its a Chromium … . -
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@Gwen-Dragon - Judging by my recent debugging experiences with M3, I doubt Jon will be able to give anything like a firm date. But I do know he's anxious to get it out there, and we are closing in on it. The guys are pouncing on bugs like cats on catnip, and resolving things fast. It's just that the project is SOOOOOO complex...
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@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 - mail client, when?:
@Ayespy Oh yes, we are hunting and catching these bugs like cats running and meowing for valeria officinalis
M3 is very nice now, but it is not complete ready for the public. Some bugs are not severe, more cosmetic, but we do not want to show them.
M3 in its adolescence does not look always perfect, it may have some little problems with acne or acme like other youngsters.
OK, i know, a bad comparison, i beg for pardon being so nasty on all adolescents.
JUST LET ME SQUASH BUGS WITH IT AS WELL, DAMNIT!!!?!?!?!?!
Okay, I'm glad I let that out. Back to work...
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@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 - mail client, when?:
M3 is very nice now, but it is not complete ready for the public. Some bugs are not severe, more cosmetic, but we do not want to show them.
we can take it, show it!
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@schreck said in M3 - mail client, when?:
we can take it, show it!
over 2 years in development, this must be some kind of a super client.Really? I'd like a mail client that is properly tested and not deletes every 6th mail that starts with a consonant or other weird stuff.
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then simply dont use it, if youre afraid.
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This has nothing to do with "being afraid of". What I was hinting at (obviously not clear enough) is the following:
Put yourself in place of the developers of the mail client.
You know that everybody is waiting for it. You know that this might be a killer feature and with the old opera mail client there is a pretty feature rich ancestor (and I am sure they'll get compared a lot).
So would you like to release some half assed piece of software that still needs a ton of work or do you want to release some mail client that only needs some tweaking and a bit of minor bug squashing?
My guess is that the first case would cause a lot of users to be disappointed - because a lot of people are excitedly waiting for mail to be released (me included) and will try it the second it is released. So a major let down on the functionality would drive hem away from using it.
On the other hand testing and helping with the bug squashing for a product that is this close >< to be finished is a different thing - and at least for me it even makes fun to help a little in the finishing process if I can pin down a bug or two that is fixed later on.That's what my comment initially was about - but I've to agree that this much of information an thoughts that I had while posting my previous comment is not clearly visible. Sorry for that unclear post of mine.
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I would prefer if Vivaldi focuses on the mobile Android version first before releasing the mail client. Don't get me wrong. I want a mail client but releasing a simple useless version that will just bloat the browser is not something that Vivaldi probably wants. Windows and Linux have a severe problem with a proper desktop mail client. No joke. In Android you have tons of good ones, on desktop, none. I have to sadly admit that Outlook is still the best one and that is being very generous because its very buggy, slow and some things just don't work properly either.
So if Vivaldi releases a mail app, I really want them to do a good one that can actually be a real solution for most email needs. The problem with doing that is that they also need to do it in a way that will not cause extra load or resources in the browser because a lot of people will never use this and they don't want this in a browser either.
I assume they are going to do it in a way that causes no interference with those that don't want one in a browser. I may use it for basic stuff or not. Not sure yet, because my mail requirements are huge, I have one account that has over thousands of message mails a day so I can't even use that in Outlook either because the database is just very slow and grows huge and it's a pain in the butt, so I use them directly in a server with a nice webmail GUI. This will be a real problem for Vivaldi, making a proper database system that can store and retrieve them, unless you want Vivaldi storing mail data on their side and its just a nice webmail interface to their system (like some Android apps do which I don't use exactly for that reason). Then I'm sure most will not use it or complain because that would mean all email have to be send to their servers and stored on their server and the mail GUI in Vivaldi would just be a fancy webmail interface. Now I assume most of you want the messages and data to be stored locally for privacy and security reasons and this would require a local DB stored in your computer. Making this fast and efficient is probably not easy. Not at least if they want something fast and acceptable and also causes no extra resources or load in the browser when not in use.
The other part that this could be potentially hard to do correctly is security. Receiving malware and phishing files with email is the norm now. But most have a proper filter in their server and computer, that last one will probably not be able to scan them in Vivaldi so if you receive a link or malware file and click it by accident it could open right away in the browser.
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@terere: Vivaldi respects you preferences, but it has been developing the mail client for about two and a half years, and had not begun to develop an android browser yet.
I am testing the M3 email client daily. Obviously, it is impossible to have a process which uses no processor cycles or RAM. That said, M3 is light and fast, and if you don't want to use it, you don't have to enable it, and then it will use exactly as much resources as if it were never installed.
It is handling my email data going all the way back to 2001. So it can handle decent-sized chunks of data. It is not slow, and for all that it's quite immature, not very buggy, either.
Data is stored locally, addressed nimbly, and so far I've seen zero corruption of data (a real problem with mail clients in years past). So far, it only does IMAP - no POP3.
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Of course it will use computing resources while open or in use. My point was for those that never setup an email account or disable the feature in the browser. Some people probably only want the browser to do that, browsing. And no mail. I certainly see people complaining it was a bad idea, even with Opera some reviews said this was negative or bloated. Personally I even said the same. But I changed my mind. I may even use this. The reason why they and me said this, is because if its making the browser slower on startup or more ram while using it, even if you are not using the mail client, then its negative for most people. Now if the mail client is somehow disabled or frozen when its not in use or active. Then it doesn't really matter if the browser ships with it, just like any other feature. You don't need to use it but it has no effect on the general performance.
Great to read its going to be local but you mentioned IMAP and no POP, you are aware that IMAP is not actually downloading or storing the messages locally but it leaves everything in the server right? So if you read or delete something, its actually doing it on the server, this is why it can keep things in sync with multiple devices.
If it has no POP then it means what I said before is true as POP needs to download and store the messages locally. But I'm ok with that actually. IMAP is a newer protocol and most people use that, I assume the reason they are not using POP is exactly because of the DB problem I mentioned before, because it downloads messages from the server and needs to store everything locally. Still I think POP would be nice to have as an option. There are several reasons why POP sometimes makes more sense than IMAP. Backup and local storage, archiving and local processing are some reasons, but many others. I still use POP for some specific accounts that don't require sync and I just configure POP to leave message longer in the server. One of the benefits is that. Multiple people or devices can download messages and even if one deletes messages, the others will still have them in their device.
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I know these days everyone thinks that all IMAP servers are virtually unlimited (Google, Hotmail, Yahoo!...) but the truth is that only a very small number of well-known online providers actually have those resources. The vast majority of mail servers have a fixed limit of megabytes and the user will have to clear the inbox eventually.
So it's vital to have the ability to take messages off the server and still read them in the mailer... if that's not through POP (which actually seems a straightforward option to me) then Vivaldi will need to develop an auto-archiving system.
This is not a luxury - my main mail address (which I'm keeping since it's been the same since the nineties) is limited to 25MB and I believe the Vivaldi mail also has a limit.
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@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 - mail client, when?:
You will get POP3 in M3 as not all mail providers give users free IMAP.
Ironically, these days it's more like "not all mail providers give users free POP" - but while both systems are in widespread use then of course Vivaldi should support both.
(But good to have it confirmed - I was shocked we were even asked the question, to be honest!)
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As mentioned, SO FAR it only does IMAP. At the moment, It's not clear whether we will have to wait for the POP3 capability to be finished before the first test release. I have argued that it ought to be released for testing first, and then POP3 finished as soon as practicable after that.
This being the case, I would hate to see people disappointed by an early release if it doesn't already contain all it will ultimately be able to do. We already see that with the browser - folks complaining about a missing feature as though it was a conscious choice to omit it, rather than it being a waypoint we have not yet reached.
