Snapshot 1.0.385.5 - Changes to tab opening and closing behaviour
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Whenever someone says 'Performance', You know I'm bound to end up beneath his post!
Dude! I totally agree with you!
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Need for speed i guess.
They haven't release final yet so giving them some slack is OK.
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Just switching to the right from closed tab, no dependencies whatsoever. It was an option in Opera 12 that I still use.
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Man, you'd think after 36 different versions, that they would get the simple things right.
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I said this before. I'm not entirely honest how much more performance they can improve. It will improve, yes, but similar to how Chrome, Firefox, Edge or Opera works? I don't think so.
The reason why they can add so many features is because they used web technologies and I suspect the performance will never match something like C or C++ or the other languages on which the GUI is build for other browsers. This is why the Opera based on Chromium is also so snappy and Vivaldi which is also based on Chromium is not.
I totally understand what you say. Vivaldi loads pages fine, but the GUI is very sluggish in particular as it seems to slow down the more hours its open and the more data you have on it over time, its gets slower to load even basic things. Eventually with tons of tabs and Windows open the whole computer just tries to keep up running the browser. When you switch to Firefox or Chrome, its day and night and you feel the difference immediately on how fast and responsive everything is.
As much features as Vivaldi can build I'm not sure but this can be in the end what will hold Vivaldi back from its power users. A slow and laggy GUI. Other people that tried the same, like those building a web code editor on web technologies, people complained exactly about the same. There is just no way the technologies that Vivaldi powers can keep up with what powers the GUI on Firefox or Chrome, otherwise they would have chosen those web technologies as well. They probably did this to have a browser that works on all platforms, more a concept than anything else, but not running native code means its interface will always be slow unless somehow they pull out some magic trick I don't think this will change. And I say that with sadness of course.
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If you have multiple monitors and Vivaldi is running full screen on one, that is probably exactly what most people want. The task manager appearing in another window.
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Yes, detaching tabs is something they said will come eventually. This is the main thing I'm also waiting for.
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I too vote for magic. Also, since they've recently updated the Chromium build again, it's not so sluggish for me anymore. It's actually faster than other browsers. But some UI stuff is a little more sluggish, but I know it can be optimized.
Maybe they can find other web technologies, or update the current ones to make it faster and more resource efficient. What are the chances of that happening in the future?
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What are the chances of that happening in the future
Basing on my web knowledge (im a webdeveloper) - there isn't any chance for that.
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I deleted the topsites file and reloaded all my speed dials images. Not sure if it was this build or the last build I did it.
It worked for about a week without losing any. The last couple days the Speed Dial images have been starting to disappear. Not all of them. Seems like a few at a time.
They last longer than they used to. But they are still disappearing.
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Sorry, color blind or monitor? It's lime green I have no trouble but thanks. And also I agree with D0J0P but FIRST I have to be able to run it.
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Win7 64 bit, 8 Gig, 32 Viv
I had high hopes I found my SSD's problem of sluggishness with Viv. I had OO Defrag and a very old version of it, went to latest ( they don't move all files only the ones that are the worst fragmented) and at first it helped a LOT. That way the wear level isn't affected. Checked that with DiskInfo and actually gave me MORE life, NO I AM not a shill.
Haven't checked Viv lately, I wondered if it was the way some SSD handle data. -
Dude, DO NOT DEFRAG SSD disks! it's useless and, well… damages SSDs (as every write cycle = damage). The impression of improvement was false.
Also OO Defrag is crap software that damages SSDs even more (by autoscheduling defrags on computer idle) and can lead to random crashes (at least the version I've used). (Actually all OO software is crap).
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Same here.
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Really? I'm not developer, but I've heard of programming languages changing over time and becoming better. I'm guessing that probably can't happen with Node JS and CSS, the main technologies used in Vivaldi?
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I'm in the same boat, unfortunately. When they fixed it many months ago last year, it was perfect. But a few snapshots ago last month, it broke again. I hope they fix this for the next snapshot.
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FYI:
Well I don't know if I agree. Everything I've read on their WHITE PAPER (have you?) tells what they have done? Also in 30 + years I've had every defrag ever made out there,
I appreciate your concern "Dude" but do you know what enterprise and businesses use it and what steps they took to alleviated the wear problem, normally I would agree. I tested before wear levels before and after it is NOT standard defrag.
Made specific for SSD's that's why I waited for three years for them to come up with a solution. I trust them to know FAR more than I do about SSD's. How did you come to the conclusion ALL OO software is crap? And I NEVER auto-load or auto-RUN ANYTHING. It seemed to help out mine and so I surmised that it got the topsites file to stop thrashing, was throwing it out there for others to try/and or think of. -
Dude, DO NOT DEFRAG SSD disks! it's useless and, well… damages SSDs (as every write cycle = damage). The impression of improvement was false.
Also OO Defrag is crap software that damages SSDs even more (by autoscheduling defrags on computer idle) and can lead to random crashes (at least the version I've used). (Actually all OO software is crap).
PS:
I got this from product manager next day WITH an explanation below. I would have a HARD TIME calling top level, next day support, from executive in another country CRAP. Actually I wish all were so proficient. I posted this for all to read and maybe figure this may be one problem of memory etc.
We still advise against extensive defragmenting of SSDs because in addition to not really improving their performance, it has a negative effect on wear levelling and this results in a shortening of an SSD’s life span.
There are, however, occasionally some cases of extreme file fragmentation: loads of fragmented files with thousands of fragments. Along with the negative effect on performance this may have, extreme file fragmentation may cause the file’s NTFS to reach the maximum number of fragments possible. This means that such a file will no longer be able to grow. According to our customers, this can lead to apparently inexplicable negative results such as failure to access the database. These very highly fragmented files are also frequently written upon by temporary Internet files, log files, or the Outlook mailbox. This frequent write access on a highly fragmented file can also have a negative effect on performance, especially on lower-priced SSDs.
As a result of this, we received requests by a number of corporate customers to develop a special file optimization for SSDs. The solution we’ve come up with defragments especially affected data and follows this with a TRIM Pass. This defragmentation has been specially adapted for SSDs and is therefore optimized to cause the least possible load on wear leveling. On the other hand, files that are only slightly fragmented or have a particular fragment structure are ignored, providing they have no negative influence on the SSD’s performance and the file system.
I hope this response has been helpful. Please let me know if you have any questions.
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Currency Converter (Google Chrome extension) stopped working correvtly - when I type a number, say 3, it must be converted into several selected currencies, but instead it switches the focus to #3 Vivaldi tab.
I'm voting for magic.
