Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access
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@BoneTone There is no need to bury buttons in a menu requiring two clicks. Opera touch handles this with gestures, comparable to Vivaldi on the desktop. What Firefox Preview used to do in early versions was showing an additional bar when swiping up from the first bar. Adding the Vivaldi/Menu button to the bottom bar and showing the address bar on swipe on bottom, or by simply pressing the search button(!), would be a viable solution for Vivaldi.
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@BoneTone
Just a basic concept art:
Putting everything into an overflow menu (grouped, not just in bulk) would make a very clean GUI. Maybe a second button could be there on the toolbar, which should be customizable, so you could map any button onto it.
The tabbed interface is great on tablet, and maybe on 6+" screens, but on smaller screens, I'd like to have as minimal GUI as possible. Of course, it has to be an option, so users could decide on each device if they want to use the full, tabbed interface or the minimal one.
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Click the button View > Horizontal Main Menu.
Moves it above the Tab bar. Since I don't use Bookmarks Bar there is no loss of screen space. -
@greybeard
This topic is about the mobile interface. -
@Nekomajin Ooops, my apologies.
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@Nekomajin Sorry, but your solution is exactly what shouldn't happen. Navigation and menu buttons should be easy to reach, not require a touch, a search and another touch.
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@luetage
Except of back and forward, everything else is 2+ steps to reach now. Not much of a difference. Plus swipe gestures could provide navigation functionality for those, who like them.I lived on Win8 mobile IE for years, which only had two buttons on the address bar. It has a cost, but you gain a very clean GUI and maximalized screen space, which is important on small screens. At least for me.
The tabbed GUI looks great on tablet, but on phone, even with the tab stripe disabled, two toolbars take too much space. (I know it autohides on scroll, but that drives me crazy, so I hope it becomes optional in time.) Plus you have to change grip on the device to reach the top toolbar. Forcing this classic desktop layout on small screen just does not work.
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@luetage said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
It's uncomfortable to reach,
It must be the way I hold my phone or something but it's never stuff at the top of the screen that gives me trouble. It's stuff on the left side of the screen. Things on the left are such a pain to reach I actually use my second (left) hand when I need to do work that requires even semi-frequent access to elements on the far left. If I try to use my right thumb, almost always a part of my hand will touch the screen as well, either triggering its own click or just making it so no click is triggered.
I forget which browser it is that lets you move its thinset to the bottom, but I tried it for awhile. It didn't make the far left easier, but broke my muscle memory, so in switched back.
These ergonomics issues are highly individualized as to what the best position and movement is. Vivaldi, in keeping with its design philosophy, should definitely provide a setting for toolbar placement. I would actually like to see the sides be an option as well. Not only would that make the entire toolbar easy for me to access, it would also benefit from the extra space and could hold everything in one bar immediately available with a single touch.
@Nekomajin said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
would make a
very cleanless accessible GUIFTFY
@Nekomajin said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
Except of back and forward, everything else is 2+ steps to reach now.
Huh? Both the Speed Dial and Panel, and the Tabs Manager actually, are 1 click. That's why I said that previously. I like having all 3 there, but the Tabs Manager isn't unique which is why I didn't mention it before but I should have included it as something that absolutely must be just 1 click to access. Making the tabs be 2 clicks would be a tremendous mistake.
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@BoneTone
And why do you open either the panel, the tab manager or the speed dial? To do the actual thing you want to do. In 2+ steps.You don't need panels at all if you put the Bookmarks, History, etc. buttons right into the overflow menu. You could reach your opened tabs be swiping up from the address bar. You could navigate in history by swiping left or right, just like you can refresh the page. You could open the speed dial by mapping the new tab function onto the customizable button. And all the other functions are already in an overflow menu, so you won't have to do more taps than now.
I like Vivaldi because its ability to customize a lot of stuff. But I don't use many of its feature, even on desktop, and on a small screen it's just too crowded to put everything up front. Even the overflow menu is a mess right now with all those text labels in bulk, without visible sections and icons. And they will just keep adding stuff.
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@BoneTone said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
It must be the way I hold my phone or something but it's never stuff at the top of the screen that gives me trouble. It's stuff on the left side of the screen. Things on the left are such a pain to reach I actually use my second (left) hand when I need to do work that requires even semi-frequent access to elements on the far left. If I try to use my right thumb, almost always a part of my hand will touch the screen as well, either triggering its own click or just making it so no click is triggered.
I forget which browser it is that lets you move its thinset to the bottom, but I tried it for awhile. It didn't make the far left easier, but broke my muscle memory, so in switched back.
These ergonomics issues are highly individualized as to what the best position and movement is. Vivaldi, in keeping with its design philosophy, should definitely provide a setting for toolbar placement. I would actually like to see the sides be an option as well. Not only would that make the entire toolbar easy for me to access, it would also benefit from the extra space and could hold everything in one bar immediately available with a single touch.Definitely agree with "should definitely provide a setting for toolbar placement". For lefties like me, the Vivaldi button and New Tab buttons are in the worst place imaginable: At the very top right of the screen. Because of the way I hold my phone I can't reach the top fifth of the screen without changing my grip. And then reaching over to the right side on top of that? Ain't happening.
Bottom right would be workable (I can reach that if I change my grip on the phone), but bottom left would be the best location. I don't think I've ever used the panels (bookmarks, history, etc.) on my phone during the year I've used Vivaldi's app, so moving that to the right side wouldn't be a problem (for me).
So an option to move the tab bar and address bar down would be a nice start, but there's not going to be true happiness from me until we can at least choose to "mirror" the toolbars for better left-handed access.
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@Komposten said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
@BoneTone said in Moving the Vivaldi button for easier access:
It must be the way I hold my phone or something but it's never stuff at the top of the screen that gives me trouble. It's stuff on the left side of the screen. Things on the left are such a pain to reach I actually use my second (left) hand when I need to do work that requires even semi-frequent access to elements on the far left. If I try to use my right thumb, almost always a part of my hand will touch the screen as well, either triggering its own click or just making it so no click is triggered.
I forget which browser it is that lets you move its thinset to the bottom, but I tried it for awhile. It didn't make the far left easier, but broke my muscle memory, so in switched back.
These ergonomics issues are highly individualized as to what the best position and movement is. Vivaldi, in keeping with its design philosophy, should definitely provide a setting for toolbar placement. I would actually like to see the sides be an option as well. Not only would that make the entire toolbar easy for me to access, it would also benefit from the extra space and could hold everything in one bar immediately available with a single touch.Definitely agree with "should definitely provide a setting for toolbar placement". For lefties like me, the Vivaldi button and New Tab buttons are in the worst place imaginable: At the very top right of the screen. Because of the way I hold my phone I can't reach the top fifth of the screen without changing my grip. And then reaching over to the right side on top of that? Ain't happening.
Bottom right would be workable (I can reach that if I change my grip on the phone), but bottom left would be the best location. I don't think I've ever used the panels (bookmarks, history, etc.) on my phone during the year I've used Vivaldi's app, so moving that to the right side wouldn't be a problem (for me).
So an option to move the tab bar and address bar down would be a nice start, but there's not going to be true happiness from me until we can at least choose to "mirror" the toolbars for better left-handed access.
I second this! Even rearranging the buttons so they're clustered in the center would be far better than having the new tab button at the far right