Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality

ybjrepnfr

@Stardust said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

I disagree, everything is possible!

yeah, too right! that's the kind of positive mindset i'm currently using in my quest to learn to fly. as the great man wrote in his holy scriptures, it's all about throwing myself at the ground, & missing. once i get back outta hospital this latest time, i'm confident that i'll eventually get this right. later, i shall celebrate via brekkie at milliways.

barbudo2005

@Stardust

Said:

this is a Friday poll?

Still Thursday for me. What is your group?

Stardust

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

@Stardust

Said:

this is a Friday poll?

Still Thursday for me. What is your group?

I will answer on Friday

actually I have answered it few pages ago. Firefox with uBlock Origin will become my main browser, and Vivaldi will be demoted as 2nd browser.

Catweazle

@Stardust, SN = social network. Well, in any case, I am going to continue with Vivaldi. The consequences of Mv3 will not only be noticeable in Chromium, but with any browser. Vivaldi is going to continue as much as possible with Mv2, just like Firefox and any other browser that dislikes this Google invention.

But as I said before, Google's real power lies in the web standard, that is, in all the pages that carry its APIs (most US pages and a lot of the EU ones), if it changes the rules, the consequences will be a problem for any browser, regardless of the engine it uses. because extensions Mv2 will not longer work and they will not continue in the stores either, it does not matter the Chrome store or the Mozilla store or another.

In this case it is certainly an advantage to have a built-in ad/trackerblocker even to perhaps have a dedicated userscript manager, or to have to settle for an Mv3 decaffeinated uBO light when Google finish Mv2 in the next year.

These are hard times that await us, more for Firefox than for Vivaldi.

ybjrepnfr

@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

hard times that await us, more for Firefox than for Vivaldi

ingolftopf

@Catweazle
Very good words, clearly presented.
Thank you for that.

I can only fully support it.

iAN CooG

@Stardust said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

everything is possible

Especially for those that don't have to do anything, yeah

barbudo2005

@Catweazle

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or to have to settle for an Mv3 decaffeinated uBO light when Google finish Mv2 in the next year.

Shouldn't a built-in ad blocker work independently of MV2?

And if that's true, how little confidence do you have that the team can improve the ad blocker!!

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, that is the question, Google can desactivate extensions which don't fullfit its norms, but not if the blocker is inbuild, he can't access to the code made by the Vivaldi team in Chromium.
But the question is that the blocker can do what is for in pages prepared for Mv3, that means that the blocker need to surround this limitations, this is the task for the Vivaldi team and also for those in Mozilla. As say, also Firefox need to develope an own inbuild blocker, after the change it can't continue with an uBO Mv2.

If this don't work, and you don't want to see ads and trackers, you only can use Lynx, Links, Browsh or similar browsers to surf the web in text only, thanks Google.

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

The consequences of Mv3 will not only be noticeable in Chromium, but with any browser. Vivaldi is going to continue as much as possible with Mv2, just like Firefox and any other browser that dislikes this Google invention.

Situation like I see it right now:

uBlock Origin will keep working in Firefox after June 2025. For how long, no one can say for sure - maybe 5, maybe 10 years, Mozilla is unpredictable nowadays.
let's say, in case in ~5 years Mozilla will do the same and kill uBlock Origin I hope we would already have a new 3rd engine ready with a working browser.

uBlock Origin forever!

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:

As say, also Firefox need to develope an own inbuild blocker, after the change it can't continue with an uBO Mv2.

or Firefox will just keep continue using Mv2 forever?

Catweazle

@Stardust, in 10 years we will all have a chip with internet implanted in the cerebellum.

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barbudo2005

@Catweazle

Said:

….the blocker can do what is for in pages prepared for Mv3, that means that the blocker need to surround this limitations,….

Are the pages prepared for MV3?

or

Extensions can interact with the page depending on what the manifest allows.

Catweazle

@barbudo2005it depends entirely of what the page allows, at least of these controlled by Google ad providers (Alphabet).

barbudo2005

@Catweazle Said:

it depends entirely of what the page allows, at least of these controlled by Google ad providers (Alphabet).

I am not convinced by your explanation. Where did you read it?

Please have others comment on this topic.

Stardust

Google has been trying to block ad-blockers (like uBO) on YouTube for years, but uBO is still winning ! Google has failed to do it so now they are making such ad-blockers impossible to use in the chromium browsers.

I think we can say that they failed to do it on server side (YouTube site) and now switched to the client side (Browser). They can do it because they are controlling chromium engine.

Stardust

I ~~googled~~ situation with Firefox and Manifest V3, in the blog post from June 13, 2024:

And to reiterate a couple important points we’ve communicated in our previous updates published in March and May:

The webRequest API is not on a deprecation path in Firefox

Mozilla has no plans to deprecate MV2

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/06/13/manifest-v3-updates-landed-in-firefox-127/

ybjrepnfr

@Stardust yes. those who keep insisting otherwise are mere FUD-merchants.

Preorian

What is disappointing to me, is that this topic is 9 pages long and, if I'm not mistaken, we haven't seen any response/activity from vivaldi team.

derDay

@Preorian
to what should they answer? there's a whole blog post about their intensions