Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@barbudo2005
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/Why Firefox will also adapt Mv3
Manifest V3 is the next iteration of WebExtensions, and offers the opportunity to introduce improvements that would otherwise not be possible due to concerns with backward compatibility. MV2 had architectural constraints that made some issues difficult to address; with MV3 we are able to make changes to address this.
One core part of the extension architecture is the background page, which lives forever by design. Due to memory or platform constraints (e.g. on Android), we can’t guarantee this state, and termination of the background page (along with the extension) is sometimes inevitable. In MV3, we’re introducing a new architecture: the background script must be designed to be restartable. To support this, we’ve reworked existing and introduced new APIs, enabling extensions to declare how the browser should behave without requiring the background script.
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@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
They have considered you will abandon them if they won't make a new browser, but they are willing to lose you.
let's see how that will work out for them. not everyone for whom state of the art adblocking has a high priority phrases their expectations in form of a demand, but I can assure you that the moment I see an ad on youtube or twitch that can't be tackled with the available adblocking, I'm also using something else.
I'm surrounded by tech savvy people so this is of course not representative, but I'd say around 80% of the people I talked about the announcement of the ubo guys have installed firefox in the last two weeks and started to use it in parallel. I feel like many people are ready to pull the trigger, even though most non-firefox users don't really want to.
I for once was amazed that firefox is still not able to stack tabs, not even with extensions, but once the alternative is unblockable ads, even that choice is easy.
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Why Firefox will also adapt Mv3
you know that adapt means they support it on top of v2? they had to implement both anyways and don't fork off chromium, so there's no benefit in removing v2 support for them, only cost. why should they invest time to make their product worse?
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@Mikka said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
They have considered you will abandon them if they won't make a new browser, but they are willing to lose you.
let's see how that will work out for them. not everyone for whom state of the art adblocking has a high priority phrases their expectations in form of a demand, but I can assure you that the moment I see an ad on youtube or twitch that can't be tackled with the available adblocking, I'm also using something else.
I'm surrounded by tech savvy people so this is of course not representative, but I'd say around 80% of the people I talked about the announcement of the ubo guys have installed firefox in the last two weeks and started to use it in parallel. I feel like many people are ready to pull the trigger, even though most non-firefox users don't really want to.
I for once was amazed that firefox is still not able to stack tabs, not even with extensions, but once the alternative is unblockable ads, even that choice is easy.
Cool, you and your friends move to a browser that works the way you want. Expecting from a small company like Vivaldi with limited resources to fork chromium won't happen, they announced it.
The development team clearly announced that they will rely in their native adblocker and won't fork chromium and continue developing a whole browser by themselves.
They know they will lose users, they just can't fork and develop themselves a whole web engine. They have a specific number of developers and can't do it, they work like everybody a reasonable number of hours every day. -
@electryon, that is the point, apart Mozilla will have their on ads, now with their contract with an advertising company. It's not Google, but at least the same problem with advertisings. That means, that at least in June 2025 it won't make much sense to change to another browser, staying with Vivaldi, with the inbuild blocker, which for sure will be improved in the future and without contracts with advertising companies, to make money with ads like Mozilla.
Also Vivaldi will support v2, at least until June 2025.
Tricks to get around possible nags will always be available with countless devs who don't like Google either. -
ill stay with vivaldi i use the desktop adguard app on desktop so v3 wont affect me and there built in addblock is only goin to get better with time
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@Mikka said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
firefox is still not able to stack tabs, not even with extensions
atm natively, that sadly is correct. otoh wrt add-ons, it's false.
treestyletab& especiallysideberyhave best-in-class tab management capability, far exceeding what's available in vivaldi, unfortunately. -
@lipviva said:
@thebestpessimist: Some Vivaldi users prefer the built-in unblocker.
First time I've heard of them.
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@h-richmond What's that, trolling?
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@h-richmond said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@lipviva said:
@thebestpessimist: Some Vivaldi users prefer the built-in unblocker.
First time I've heard of them.
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I'm worried about VPN extensions as well, because that's the alternative way of avoiding ads from a certain popular video sharing website. Earlier today I found out that unless you ask NordVPN to spoof your IP, your real IP rats you out making the solution pointless. If that functionality gets taken away..
I'm probably going to stay with Vivaldi, at least until summer next year, but I don't have too high hopes for Firefox either - most of their money comes from Google after all and like the Vivaldi Team they're stretched a bit thin, for example, dropping JPEG XL support because Chromium didn't support it as it didn't make sense to support something most of the web couldn't see anyway.
History is rhyming, it's a lot like the internet explorer thing all over again, all eggs in one basket.
That said, would be reeeally nice if vivaldi's builtin adblocker would support the extended syntax µblock origin uses, otherwise it's about as useful as a HOSTS blocker which I'm already using via a DNS proxy. -
that's cool
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@999geek said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
that's cool
I do not understand what you refer to.
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This article should be re-named to: "Google finds a way to stop most ad blockers dead in their tracks!" by limiting the amount of code from 300,000 to just 30,000. nerds hi five and rejoice
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@jasenfromboston, because of this it's a big advatage of Vivaldi to have an inbuild adblocker, not depending on the Chrome Store and can be improved independent from it.
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@longlife: They (Google) indirectly bought Firefox. They made it dependent on its donations, that is the way Google controls it. Remember the WebExtensions extensions thing on Firefox? An attempt against the user freedom? Well, that's Google. They control their own, only opposition. Currently, you cannot edit an extension in the "super free" browser Firefox, because it cries "This addon cannot be installed because it appears to be corrupt". That's Google inside Firefox; FF devs alone would never do such damage to Firefox.
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@F3R777 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
That's Google inside Firefox; FF devs alone would never do such damage to Firefox.
I also noticed how Mozilla quietly did exactly the same thing what Google did for ads tracking in Chrome - Google Topics (ex FloC). But Mozilla calls it - PPA (Privacy-Preserving Attribution).
They both like to describe their build-in ad tracking as Privacy-Preserving
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@Stardust, Mozilla is financed by Google (Alphabet) and also now by another advertising company (ironically called Anonym), it would therefore be counterproductive to admit real adblocking, better to disguise it in euphemisms.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle
Just tried the new version of FreeTube... It seems to be working.
Only tried one video tho so I can't be 100% sure, -
@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Mozilla is financed by Google (Alphabet) and also now by another advertising company (ironically called Anonym)
Mozilla acquired few months ago advertising company Anonym, yes
About Anonym: Anonym was founded in 2022 by former Meta executives Brad Smallwood and Graham Mudd. The company was backed by Griffin Gaming Partners, Norwest Venture Partners, Heracles Capital as well as a number of strategic individual investors.
