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Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you
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@mossman: It's a sad state of affairs for people who are working in the rest of the AI field. The whole perception of what they do and of their usefulness has been distorted.
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@Coach8264 Thank you for your thoughtful and interesting reply. I would add that I mean by agnosticism "the doctrine that humans cannot know of the existence of anything beyond the phenomena of their experience" (Britannica), and is in that sense that I refer to as an "agnostic approach" to AI development.
Clearly, there are no perfect or foolproof "guardrails" for AI. And realistically, there likely won't be any given the rapid and complex evolution of AI capabilities that even brilliant researchers struggle to fully comprehend. So my friend @Coach8264, we can't just sit idle waiting for some "effective" set of safeguards.
Instead, I advocate taking a pragmatic and iterative approach - implementing ethical guidelines that align with basic human values and wellbeing, then continually updating them as AI progresses. This "right, not perfect" mindset focuses on good-faith efforts to steer AI in a positive direction for humanity, rather than holding out for unattainable silver bullet solutions. And this is precisely what I am suggesting Vivaldi to do.
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@fratquintero, do not expect ethical and humanitarian developments in AI, if the military is already experimenting with autonomous armed drones, large corporations use AI for their selfish benefit, all combined with the lack of human intelligence and scruples. There are AI for infinite tasks and functions, it is no longer just about embedding a ChatGPT in the browser, but, if necessary, incorporating an AI that can be useful for all Vivaldi users and this, seen objectively, is impossible .
It is much more productive and sensible that each user takes advantage of the capabilities that Vivaldi has so that, if they want, they can add one of the thousands of apps, search engines, extensions or scripts that really serve them in their particular tasks, instead of having to swallow a AI added by default, whether it works for them or not.>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle You raised a very interesting point. The use of institutions like the military and the like. Thank you for you reply.
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Good decision. Please let Vivaldi be a perfect browser, no on-in-all swiz army knife.
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Literally everybody: "I bet if we rub some LLM and AI on it, people will want it more. APPLY THE AI!"
Vivaldi: "
Seriously? No."Thank you.
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I'm sorry, but you seem to be out of touch with the needs of modern users. Vivaldi is touted as the most progressive browser globally, tailored for contemporary people and the next generation. However, your approach appears reminiscent of an old aunt cautioning her grandchild on a park bench: "Don't touch, it's dirty; don't run, you may fall; don't climb, it's dangerous!"
Dear founders, it seems like you are disconnected from the realities of today's world. You appear to be too mentally entrenched in the past to comprehend the technologies embraced by your grandchildren. The decisions to ban crypto and LLM raise concerns about your stance on progress. What might be your next move? Will you consider rejecting the World Wide Web itself? Perhaps resorting to BBS or text via FTP?
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And please fix this finally! I have been seen it for a 5+ years!
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@aplan said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
The decisions to ban crypto and LLM raise concerns about your stance on progress.
I suggest you dial back a bit and consider what was actually written. No-one is banning anything!
Vivaldi just indicate they will not be building in pointless functionality based on insecure but trendy techniques. Let's be honest - was anyone actually desperate for all the stupid buttons Microsoft keeps adding in Edge (no)? Are those functions potential personal data backdoors and unnecessarily increasing the computing power and internet traffic (yes)?
If you want to waste your money/data and the planet's resources on those things then nothing stops you using Vivaldi to access them. They're just stopping all Vivaldi users from being permanently exposed to them whether they like it or not.
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@aplan said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
And please fix this finally! I have been seen it for a 5+ years!
I don't think you should be blaming Vivaldi for this - I have almost never seen it. You probably have a bad extension installed.
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@mossman just open the page and wait for a few hours. Try to close lid on notebook and open. There is no problem on other chromium-based browsers.
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@mossman No problem. But Vivaldi has 2M users. Brave has 80M+ users. Opera 300M+
Don't you think that it is due to «old aunt» policies?
Vivaldi is out of market
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@aplan Simple answer - nope
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@aplan said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
@mossman just open the page and wait for a few hours. Try to close lid on notebook and open. There is no problem on other chromium-based browsers.
I have been using Vivaldi on various devices all day every day since it came out. I don't usually leave pages open for hours on end but I certainly closed lids on running laptops and had unplanned-sleeping laptops lose their VPN connections and Windows Hello logins... but never noticed they have crashed open pages in Vivaldi.
Edit: just put this laptop to sleep to confirm... everything still here - lost forum connection notifcation; reestablished itself. No problem.
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@viljay said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
Many factors at play, but that is probably not one of them. It's the other way around imo. Refreshing to see a browser who works on being a better browser long-term and doesn't waste their developer's time by chasing trends that are irrelevant a few years later.
Strongly disagree.
Crypto has been existed for 10 years. And not going to die
AI — for all our future life, forever.
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@viljay said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
Considering I have mined Bitcoin about 15 years ago, longer actually. And all the time not a single use case found that actually improves society. Strong contender.
Considering I have used Email about 15 years ago, longer actually. And all the time not a single use case found that actually improves society. Just a lot of spam. Strong contender.
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@julien_picalausa Thank you for engaging with us in this user forum! I almost never see Vivaldi developers here at all.
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@viljay That's highly improbable. The first successful cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, is barely 15 years old and back then, only a handful of people even knew about it let alone mined it. CSW just got exposed. Please don't tell me you're Satoshi Nakamoto!
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