Do we need a POP3 capable email client?
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(btw: no one will change his emailprovider, because his emailclient doesn't work with it. my eamiladress is as old as my "online identity" (~18 years))
Same here.
Changing the e-mail client is much easier than changing the provider in some cases.
Setting up a different account with IMAP to collect mails from the POP3 account of another provider might not be legally allowed in some cases. -
WHY? It's way too early to think about an email client, the browser still needs a lot of work, please concentrate on it instead.
As for POP3, I use it, but could as easily use IMAP instead. -
It's way too early to think about an email client, the browser still needs a lot of work, please concentrate on it instead.
They have been thinking about the email client since the beginning. For many Opera 12.17 users it's the only reason that they are trying out Vivaldi. Without it, I would never switch completely as I would still need Opera for my email.
The browser is now almost usable for my daily browser. There are just a few simple things I would like to see fixed that are more urgent for me than the email client. There's a lot of other things that people obviously want too, but the email client (with just IMAP) is nearly ready so it could perhaps be released with 1.3 final if it's reasonably stable. The sooner that users can see it, the sooner the developers will get feedback about what else needs doing to perfect it.
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WHY? It's way too early to think about an email client, the browser still needs a lot of work, please concentrate on it instead.
As for POP3, I use it, but could as easily use IMAP instead.The email client has been under active development for over a year and a half. So it's not "too early."
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I voted a bit late, but… well, I need POP3 because it is involved in my work flow.
Indeed, I'm using Vivaldi on my personal Win 10 PC, but I still use other browsers too because of usability/Chromium inheritance bugs.
Since mail is vital for me I think I won't touch a new mail client until it's bullet proof (i.e. no data losing for whatever reason).
So, if the mail client needs a lot of work to be "complete", please take all that time and test it in the dev channels as long it is possible before going mainstream.
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Certainly the client needs a lot of work to be "complete." However, it can be "complete" without POP3 and add POP3 later, or it can wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, to be released until POP3 is also added and bug-free. That is a management decision.
And "dev channels" in this case would be the snapshots. It will not see the light of day in snapshots until internal testers and the developers have a high level of confidence in it.
So, again, that level of confidence can arrive with IMAP only and POP3 can be added later, or developers can begin adding POP3 to the mail engine now, and delay the release of ANY form of the product by several months. Again, management decision. I think the purpose of the poll is to help inform that management decision.
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Well, from how the poll is phrased, it seems the question was about having or not a POP3 email client at all..
The release of an already "ready" IMAP mail client can be done at any time since it can help people who use that protocol.
However, it's important to know if (and a reasonable "when") the POP3 version will be available, so that we ("the people who need it") won't waste time by waiting a feature that won't implemented.
That's all.
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My comment should be prefaced, "IF the decision is made to include a POP3 capability."
Things that we already know: There will be an email client. It's been under development for something like a year and a half or more. It''s a given that it has/will have IMAP - undecided it it will have POP3. Unknown if adding POP3 will mean that no IMAP-only version will be released. It will not be released to anyone in any form until it is basically bullet-proof. Unlike a browser, which can be public-tested without any real severe consequences, an email client can't see the light of day if a user could suffer data loss with it.
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I would not tie the mail handling semantics to a specific protocol.
Let the user decide, if they want to move messages from the server to local storage or keep them on the remote server. There is no need to switch protocols for that, it can work with both with POP3 and IMAP. The command line tool fetchmail demonstrates that. I think being able to chose storage is what's most important for the people posting in this thread.
The power user way would be to add an API for mail fetching plugins, so somebody could even add UUCP support.
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I still need POP3; just because some hip youngster doesn't, and wants to blame baby boomers for all their problems doesn't mean that those of us stuck with using older protocols must do without. I hate Thunderbird, adored the 'old' Opera (enough to pay 30 US bucks for it back in the day) and currently use OperaMail M1 but am waiting patiently to make Vivaldi my go-to browser once it has mail on-board. Until then, Viv's just a backup and a pipe dream.
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I need POP3. Most of my work accounts are IMAP but some IoT related accounts are POP3 – POP(3) clients and servers
are easier to implement for platforms with limited CPU and/or RAM resources, as the primary objects are individual
messages, instead of folders. At home, one of the largest US based ISPs which provides symmetrical GPON FTTH connections,
does not provide IMAP accounts for Residential users -- not even at extra cost. So, the official ISP based accounts, which
they use to contact us with important customer notices, can only be used as POP3 accounts.If Vivaldi plans to do a phased release, I hope at least the full design is completed before any releases; as, that would
less likely require modifying data structures of installed software. And, if the team needs inspiration, checkout
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Definitely, and it is the only reason I have not adopted Vivaldi as a working browser.
Omitting POP3 functionality is like offering a toolkit without screwdrivers. Sure you and everyone you know are only using the spanners and a hammer to strip the heads off every bolt you see, but what happens when you come across a screw?
Getting back to email, yes you can chose your email provider and sync email over multiple devices, but does that mean everyone must? What about someone who is allocated an email address as part of an academic enrollment or employment with a business? If your are allocated a POP3 email address, that is what you have.
OK, there is "email forwarding", but can you guarantee the provider offers, or allows, forwarding to an IMAP server?
I cheered the day I read about Vivaldi! I was under the impression it was going to fill the need of those people who were abandoned by the demise of Opera and left out in the cold by the disregard of the "pretty button brigade" and the "you will do it our way" mentality of the big browser providers. Isn't the charter for Vivaldi to provide functionality that is otherwise unavailable, filling the need of neglected users? -
I'm with the fellow graduates of the UNIX era who have used email since it first appeared (and not since WE first appeared) and still use POP3 for reasons far beyond the comprehension of mere millennials, but I do use IMAP on some accounts.
Anyway let's get an IMAP only mail client released if that's what's holding things up, and take it from there.
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Just bumping this so that it remains visible and can collect feedback.
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Take solace from the fact that those who absolutely need POP3 and those who "are used to it" easily outnumber the Facebook generation in that list…
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Take solace from the fact that those who absolutely need POP3 and those who "are used to it" easily outnumber the Facebook generation in that list…
Frankly I wouldn't that happy.
Not because the discussed argument itself, but because if you look at the half empty glass, that result could mean that Vivaldi is used just by old school people, which isn't a good, given to survive and grow Vivaldi needs fresh and young users as well.
Probably the truth is in the middle. More young people tents to dislike the forum, and didn't vote here.
In short sure there is still a relevant number of people stuck to the old habits, and a relevant number of people who need the pop because commercial reasons. But at the same time those numbers are probably exaggerated because the forum itself acts as a filter.
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True enough.
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About the question, i would like both. Was said there the advantages about IMAP and the POP3 because that i would like to see both on Vivaldi email client. I used both when I had the Opera email client, some accounts for IMAP and others for POP3, based on the kind of email account.
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Each does have its own advantages. And servers handle them differently.
In restoring all of the data my old (failed) hard drive had, I didn't have the time to scavenge the several gigs of email databases off of it to put on my new system before it suffered terminal failure. Interestingly, recovering that data in toto is requiring that I access mail servers using both POP3 and IMAP, export data from one client, import it into another, etc. I'm inches away from once again having permanent storage of sixteen years worth of email on a single email client. But it's only because I had both protocols available to me.
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Aha! So someone DOES still use exchange!