Vivaldi is getting too complicated
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@greybeard said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
.... I hate those Captcha things...
I'm too. It's ironic that you can use this bot to solve them with a click on the icon, which appears in the captcha with it.
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On some sites, they don't even show you the whole Capcha while on a tablet. They set it up with a fixed position so you can't scroll it, but then have half of it off-screen! How do you solve that?
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@sgunhouse, when there are no scrolls, reduce the zoom until you have the whole capcha crap on the screen.
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@Mick96 What exactly do you need help for? Please tell us.
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@mikeyb2001 said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@TbGbe I think just regular browser may hide the status bar. I'm not sure but that's where the tile window button is located by default
The Status bar can be toggled from the "Menu - View", no need to open settings.
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@Mick96 Mick, I would like to openly apologize for the response to your issue for a "Simpler" option for Vivaldi. Would have doen this sooner but have been in and out hospital these past few days.
My response, as a Vivaldi Ambasador, was to find ways to help you. I failed.
I talked about all the things I've done to make Vivaldi easier for me and nothing to help you.
There may be a day soon when I may need similar assistance and may not be able to get it. I also fear i have hijacked this topic from you and diverted the attention It deserves elswhere.
At the moment I have no solutions to your issues as I really have not done my duty to find out what they are.
If you are of the mind to further explain your problems and/or wishes please post them.
Should I be able to help I promise I will. otherwise I will keep my typing to myself if I have nothing positive for you to act on.
I am also confident that many other Vivaldi Forum followers will step up and give assistace where they can.
Again, I am truly sorry for the lack of empathy on my part, -
@Mick96 Do I understand correctly that you are using Vivaldi's built-in email client for your email? (That is, the email client, as distinct from webmail)
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@Mick96 said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
I have been using Vivaldi on windows and android since its inception, but I now find it does so many things, has so many options, I am getting confused.
Well, I somewhat have to agree with this. There are way too many options, but I thought this was the whole idea behind Vivaldi. But sometimes, things could have been made simpler, for example, you have to use the Command Chain feature in order to make one-click buttons for your Workspaces (in statusbar), why on earth doesn't Vivaldi let you drag these buttons directly from the Workspaces button? This would make it way less complex.
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The easiest thing that exists right now is to choose the regular web browser mode and right click on any of the toolbars to add or delete unnecessary buttons or even right click the address bar area to delete the Flexible space so it looks more like a traditional browser.
Refer to help.vivaldi.com
Articles for more information
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@RasheedHolland said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@Mick96 said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
I have been using Vivaldi on windows and android since its inception, but I now find it does so many things, has so many options, I am getting confused.
Well, I somewhat have to agree with this. There are way too many options, but I thought this was the whole idea behind Vivaldi. But sometimes, things could have been made simpler, for example, you have to use the Command Chain feature in order to make one-click buttons for your Workspaces (in statusbar), why on earth doesn't Vivaldi let you drag these buttons directly from the Workspaces button? This would make it way less complex.
Try a feature request
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@mikeyb2001 said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@RasheedHolland said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@Mick96 said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
I have been using Vivaldi on windows and android since its inception, but I now find it does so many things, has so many options, I am getting confused.
Well, I somewhat have to agree with this. There are way too many options, but I thought this was the whole idea behind Vivaldi. But sometimes, things could have been made simpler, for example, you have to use the Command Chain feature in order to make one-click buttons for your Workspaces (in statusbar), why on earth doesn't Vivaldi let you drag these buttons directly from the Workspaces button? This would make it way less complex.
Try a feature request
Yes, good idea. Sadly enough I'm still waiting for a mouse gesture for ''stacking tabs by host''. I have made a request months ago.
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@DoctorG Better late than never, me that is. I apologise for the innordinate delay in replying to your post. A simple effective browser with which i can find my way around again without scatching my head. I obviosly wish to retain my Bookmarks, Contacts, Passwords, Vivaldi and Gmail e-mail and the sync with my tablet & phone. Would a solution be to ensure the previous mentioned were all on my tablet then uninstall Vivaldi on my destop and do a clean reinstall. Any help would be appreciated as I keep getting lost amonst the numerouus windos tabs and god knows what else.
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@Mick96 if you have a lot of tabs, try the OneTab extension.. it can clear them out in one click.. but you can also get them (or any of them) back easily as well.
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@TheCelticCross Interesting. I find Vivaldi simple. I don't use, and don't try to use, many of its infinite options. I just ignore or hide or never turn on the ones I don't want.
I set about six or seven things when I first set up a new Vivaldi installation, and then I leave it at that. I don't install extensions, don't make any modifications, don't use hardly any options at all.
I set my theme colors and background; my tabs, bookmarks bar and tool buttons where I want them, set up my email the way I want it, remove all of the nav links and extra buttons from Start page, turn on sync, and I am done. I just work in this friendly and familiar environment or months or even years after that, and change little or nothing.
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@TheCelticCross In fact, My wife, who can't be bothered with complexity, does even less. She has no idea most of what Vivaldi can do, but is happy to just use it, pretty much right out of the box (with tabs on the right and accent color from sites turned off).
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Although at first the configuration page may overwhelm a new user, once configured Vivaldi is what every user may need, with just the features they need. This is precisely the advantage that Vivaldi offers, being as complicated or simple as the user wants. Anything from a simple UI of an old IE to a dashboard of an F15 is possible.
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@TheCelticCross Vivaldi is not meant to be suitable for everyone. It doesn't have to be. It only has to be suitable for each individual. And the aim is to make it so that each individual can suit themselves.
I'm old, stodgy and boring. So is my Vivaldi. It doesn't do everything. It only does what I want. Basically, exactly what I want. Many will find it doesn't do what they want, and so it will continue to be developed with the idea that eventually it will do what they want.
Interestingly, I literally can't get comfortable with any other browser. Each fails me in some significant way (or more than one way) that I just can't abide.
I feel a little sorry for folks on Mac and iOS, because of two things: Their range seems limited to me, because they can't readily adapt to other systems and - the Mac platform is the most difficult to develop for (both because of its intolerance for change and the fact that Apple forbids outside engagement) so it's hard to bring Mac users good things, including a cleanly and smoothly operating Vivaldi. Every time the Devs get close, Mac dodges. There's deliberately planned rolling obsolescence, to ensure that older systems can never run more modern software, and newer systems have to be acquired.
Companies with hundreds of developers can keep up with the changes, but smaller teams are challenged to do so.
My wife got a killer deal on a used iPad. It was less than five years old. When she got it, she went to the Apple store to download the Pinterest app (the reason she had gotten the iPad) and learned that there was no longer any Pinterest app that was compatible with her (obsolete) IPad.
Now it's true Vivaldi gets forced out of obsoleted systems as the Chromium gods decide to no longer support them (Windows XP, then 7, etc., Older Mac OS versions, older Android versions and so on) but it's not by Vivaldi's design. It's because they can't afford to write their own engine.
But to the degree possible, Vivaldi will always endeavor to make its browser easy to use on every platform it is possible for them to support - Win 10 and later, most flavors of Linux, Linux ARM like Raspberry Pi, Mac OS Intel and M1, iOS, Android 7 and later, 3 kinds of automotive OSes...) And if they could make it just right for you, they would.
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@TheCelticCross said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
I've played with Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Brave, DuckDuckGo, Safari for a while. But I've settled with Opera at the moment, because they give me the features I need (and which I like in Vivaldi like rocker gestures) and even more so (Aria e.g. which I use quite often).
None of the browsers that you mention have the features I look for. I recently checked out Opera, what a nightmare, I honestly thought it was crap, it used a lot of resources without even any websites open. Edge is a nightmare too, so many pointless spyware-like features, and not easy to turn them all off.
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@Ayespy said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@TheCelticCross Interesting. I find Vivaldi simple. I don't use, and don't try to use, many of its infinite options. I just ignore or hide or never turn on the ones I don't want.
I know what you mean, Vivaldi can indeed be quite simple, and you don't have to actually use all features. But I think what people mean is that perhaps it has a bit too many options, which sometimes makes it a bit difficult to configure, would be cool if you could save settings locally now that I think of it.
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@TheCelticCross said in Vivaldi is getting too complicated:
@RasheedHolland you may call Opera crap. Maybe it is. It's got its own kind of issues. But I can easily set up to remove thei ad-driven crap, but then it works without further tuning. I haven't seen any lag or delay with it. I've always felt that it runs quite smoothly.
Yes, I'm very picky about things. I just hate almost everything about Opera, the way how they hide the menu and statusbar, and I also hate the settings page. I don't see anything interesting, I don't need the AI nonsense. But that's the thing, we all have our preferences. I call Opera crap, but others love it. I also don't understand all of the hype about the Arc browser, I freaking hate the sidebar and vertical tabs, and that's what they call revolutionary, what a joke.
