Arching Floorpians

ybjrepnfr

@npro given we don't yet have enough info on that third point, i think for now i'll try to not fixate on it & worry too much, til we know more. as for the second point, i think i can't fully describe the great satisfaction & pleasure i feel about this. i think it's really wonderful news. ofc it's still not going to be as "edge" as our nice FFN, but even so, if it's about to have version-parity with vanilla-firefox, that'll still be a marvellous leap forward. as you know [coz i've moaned about it enough, ha], for me THE one big disadvantage of floorp til now is its esr base. yay!

npro

@ybjrepnfr I'm wondering what 'Midori' will be doing though, will they fork again? Silently again? Played cleverly by surapuyousei

ybjrepnfr

@npro the unbelievable gall of these bastards; it's breathtaking!

https://astian.org/midori-en/midori-11-3-3-a-new-update-has-been-released/

npro

@ybjrepnfr True, but I think this is not related to Floorp's new update. We 'll see about the new one soon I guess :). Not that I would compare their github pages ofc... Midori was bought by that company called Astian and then they switched the engine without giving any credit to Floorp, , not interested in more than that.

Floorp on a ~1-month Firefox cycle will be

ybjrepnfr

tis quite irrational i know, but each day for the past three days i thought that v11.13.0 would have arrived, such that now i'm slightly climbing the walls.

npro

@ybjrepnfr That's the thing about ESR, ~~it made me stop caring about updates~~ famous last words... . In their github there were some weird references today, like...

npro

Struggling with this otherwise nice attempt of automatically stacking tabs, which tries to "approximate" some usability of sidebery in a different way ((sub+)domains stacked at least on the 1st and only level), makes me appreciate sidebery and Floorp even more.... it's really painful and exhausting using Vrivaldi nowadays, I can stand it for about 2 minutes, after that it is such an unbearable psychological burden... what a sad outcome.

ybjrepnfr

@npro ha. yes i've been keeping an eye on their github commits too, & have struggled to understand many of the strange goings-on, heehee. i suppose my main interest in the github, rather than me being able to understand specific technicalities [i cannot] is just as an "activity canary"; if i see ongoing activity there, i can be reassured that floorp remains alive & the dev has not fallen under a bus, yet.

my impatience for this impending bump is that the latest FF-Release [FFR, hereafter] surprised me by getting FFN's excellent popup GUI for text-select context-menu translation. the various blurbs i read in all the tech sites for this new FFR mentioned that ESR was bumped at the same time. i'm hoping to see that the impending ESR, ie, also floorp, might thus inherit this nice feature too.

ybjrepnfr

@npro oh wow, that's a clever mod by that user! sadly as you've found, it's still not as functional as the amazing sidebery.

i think the basic problem is that for diehard vivaldians [such as we also used to be, sob sniff], who defiantly never bothered testing alternatives to vivaldi's native tab-stack options, they seem unable to grasp there's a better way. otoh, for those of us who were willing to look outside the vivaldi walled-garden, once we discovered tst but then especially sidebery, everything else, including vivaldi, unfortunately pales into insignificance. nowadays as a "hardcore", or at least devoted, floorp sidebery user, each time [not so often, anymore] i bother firing up my snappie to see something, it rapidly becomes very frustrating... & its comparatively primitive tab-stacking is only one aspect.

as an aside, i am really glad i chose not to climb aboard the m3 hysteria-train a couple of years back. had i done so, my ability to leave v for alternatives like FFN & later floorp, would have been severely handicapped by the email client "golden handcuffs". otoh by choosing to keep my email management in thunderbird, i retained complete browser change flexibility. dodged a bullet there.

npro

@ybjrepnfr it turned out, the mod was ok, I forgot I updated the browser in the meantime . Since I'm not using it primarily I had reverted all those older shenanigans preventing the wipe-out of window.html, so I just forgot it . Well back then the only possible way for me to work with Vrovladi was to just not use tab stacks & workspaces at all and just use the otto tabs extension which at least was sorting all the tabs by domain... After some test with some newish snapshot version again I found out it wasn't working like it was supposed to, and lately I discovered this mod -which is better than OT- , due to a feature request I was reading. It's better but still not enough + a separate Window Panel would be the prerequisite for all those tab stacks improvements that aren't going to happen anyway... Re M3 I definitely remember and understand you, I was kinda "saved" because I was using IMAP for better or worse, so I didn't have migration problems

P.S. KMail for the win

npro

@npro ehm I mean I remember someone who didn't jump on the m3 train because that someone was using POP3 and had set up all the folders meticulously already...

ybjrepnfr

@npro heehee, what can i say? schtum! oh, look over there! -->

ybjrepnfr

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

the mod was ok, I forgot I updated the browser in the meantime

yep, after my OP i saw your other posts on that. so, that's genuinely good that the mod works, coz it's a very cool clever thing for that peep to have done, yay. however even so, i still have two objections:

auto-grouping by domain or sub can be very handy, no argument from me. it's just that i need to do that only a small subset of the times that i create tab-stacks [or instead, nested tab-subtrees, haha], & for those majority times, the flexibility of sidebery wins hands down.
hardcore vivaldians like to mock firefox/&forks for having less native functionality & needing to rely heavily on addons. that's fair, but only to a point, & ignores the ugly truth for vivaldi too. in fact my snappie relies on so many mods i've accumulated over the years from clever forum-peeps, to work closer to how i like, that it feels to me directly analogous to say my FFN's reliance on my chosen addons. then floorp comes along & nativeises a lot of this, so... another reason my heart moved on from vivaldi to floorp.

ybjrepnfr

woot!

Floorp Updates
Keep Floorp up to date for the best performance, stability, and security.
Version 11.13.0 (64-bit) | Firefox: 115.12.0 What’s new
Floorp is up to date

ybjrepnfr

@ybjrepnfr rats. sadly esr did not get that nice new FFR function, prolly i suppose coz of the whole concept of esr. sigh. sooooo, once again i really hope the dev is able to get us onto the FFR-version parity asap.

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ybjrepnfr

aha, seems like yet another vivaldiesque feature might be coming to floorp ["tie to specific web pages"]:

https://libreddit.oxymagnesium.com/r/Floorp/comments/1ctwecd/new_user_what_do_you_use_notes_for/l4eulkh/?context=3

u/Surapuyousei Developer 3h ago

I plan to improve the Notes experience.

I'll make sure you can use it the way you want to use it.

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

the flexibility of sidebery wins hands down

exactly this. Usingsidebery feels like painting on canvas, with the nested tabs, panels and easy, "soft" way of manipulating everything, while what V has to offer is a stiff painful experience.

woot!

I sensed it coming today

npro

Not even a tiny bit of (new) information to be excited about, bah... . I think I should switch to FFN... this is just too slow for my taste...

(yes the experiment of building up (unknown terms like) patience and self-restraint with the "ESR" model has clearly failed, Ι'm not a Debian guy damnit!!1)

I think I will be playing around with that "auto"-mod in Vivaldi until Floorp rebases itself... too much work to make FFN work+look like Floorp as well... crappy situation atm.

npro

I switched to the [kde-unstable] repository today

Lots of nice things in this 6.1-beta one, like

The corners'/buttons' radii were changed from 3px to 5px.
thus leaded to an also corrected (analogue) radius of the Overview effect, not that gigantic gnome-ish like
The Desktop Grid got its (rightful) entry under Screen Edges at last (though it's still not perfect as it was in 5.x)
The new, improved "Edit Mode"
ozone-wayland problems fixed
and some extra nice stuff here and there...

❯ kinfo
Operating System: Arch Linux 
KDE Plasma Version: 6.0.90
KDE Frameworks Version: 6.2.0
Qt Version: 6.7.0
Kernel Version: 6.9.1-arch1-2 (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: Wayland

P.S. And with this one you get all the goodies with esync together with the nvidia 555 beta drivers for XWayland, I may try it later with my old Core 2 Duo+nvidia system as well. That was already behaving pretty smooth with those drivers, because some parts were backported to 6.0.4 iirc.