Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3

nomadic

@adacom What a scary thing to read

From a quick test it looks like adding the script tags to the window.html instead of browser.html seems to work. Give that a try and see if it works.

Here is an easy bit of JS for testing. It prints "Working" to the UI devTools console:

(function test() {
  setInterval(() => {
    console.log("Working");
  }, 1000);
})();

adacom

@nomadic - well done that works for me - i had tried adding the js calls to main.html but that did not work - your method seems to solve it

olli

@daniel said:

@olli: It’ super-easy to parse! [The] Same old New Window [as before] now opens faster [than before]. Grammarly says it should be comprehendible.
Maybe Grammarly has a bug?

ybjrepnfr

oh goody. this or the previous snappie seems to have again broken the mod to auto-open the panel on hover. time to scour the forum again in hope the clever peeps wot wrote said mod, have had a chance to apply whatever fix is needed.

these routine breakages never stop being fun...

oh sisyphus, my sisyphus.

ybjrepnfr

@ybjrepnfr oh, another goody, yet more delight. this snappie just pulled in another ginormous batch of necro-fetched rss feeds.

such fun.

thomasp

oh goody. this or the previous snappie seems to have again broken the mod to auto-open the panel on hover

@ybjrepnfr assuming this is a JS mod, did you try the solution from @nomadic a few posts above?

From a quick test it looks like adding the script tags to the window.html instead of browser.html seems to work. Give that a try and see if it works.

Hadden89

@Pathduck quite sure the hamburger menu was popularized by android/chrome but come from xerox era (deja vu).
A bordered button (current) is the best way for a menu. The arrow could be made optional with right click.

ybjrepnfr

@thomasp @nomadic Thanks.

The specific mod i've been using is https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/645686, whose code has been contained in my custom.js. That file has been getting called by/from browser.html. It's been working fine for a fair while, til now. Following the cleverness above by @nomadic i tried also pasting that line into window.html as below. It now works again, which is cool, ta.

<body>
    <script src="custom.js"></script>
</body>

However i'm confused & puzzled about this change. It's been several years [or at least it feels that way] that we've been able to mod vivaldi, & ofc the forum has a ginormous humongous thread on the method needed, which i've tried my best to follow & apply to my snappies over the years. I use a bash-script to automate the file-patching after each snappie update, but it was defeated by this snappie. It patches browser.html with my custom.js, & does not touch window.html ... so the fix i just did now was manually edited.

Is this going to be the new way to patch vivaldi, in which case i'll need to edit my bash-script? Or was this snappie an anomaly, with future snappies still being patchable the "old" way?

Spoiler

oh damn, i'm v tired atm & accidentally used correct punctuation & capitalisation above. too tired to bother fixing it now...

shatnerd5399

I have experienced strange behaviour on two different pcs, with this snapshot and the previous one regarding hiding and showing side panel toolbar.

I have it set to Floating Panel and Auto-Close Inactive Panel. I have mouse gestures to display the bookmark panel, as well as gesture to dispaly the Windows panel.

I use either gesture, the appropriape panel shows, but if I click something (a bookmark, a tab) in the panel, or even elsewher in the browser, the panel collapses but the Panel side-toolbar never collapses.

I have to manualy press F4 (hide/ show panel) to make it go away. And then on occason, F4 , refuses to do anything at all.

Thot

@shatnerd5399 said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

the panel collapses but the Panel side-toolbar button never collapses.

Same here. Because of this I ticked off „Automatically close when inactive“, and press manually with „F4“.

daniel

@ybjrepnfr said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

oh, another goody, yet more delight. this snappie just pulled in another ginormous batch of necro-fetched rss feeds.
such fun.

Could you please explain what you mean by this? Were your RSS feeds with the refresh interval set to Never fetched anyway?

ugly

I've noticed that Pasting in the address bar sometimes does nothing.

This happens with both Ctrl+v and when right-clicking and selecting Paste from the context menu.

Paste and Go still works.

I don't think this started in this snapshot. I don't think it happens all the time either. I'm not sure what triggers it.

Anybody else notice this?

Edit - looks like it has been noticed and is fixed internally - https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/679406

ybjrepnfr

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

Were your RSS feeds with the refresh interval set to Never fetched anyway?

no. i DO want to receive new feeds for all my configured rss channels, but i only want to get each one ONCE, not two or three times [& this is a very long-term vivaldi bug; sometimes the necro-fetching [ie, the undesired fetching of the 2nd or 3rd copy] happens days or weeks or maybe even months later.

here's just one example:

daniel

@ybjrepnfr said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

no. i DO want to receive new feeds for all my configured rss channels, but i only want to get each one ONCE, not two or three times [& this is a very long-term vivaldi bug; sometimes the necro-fetching [ie, the undesired fetching of the 2nd or 3rd copy] happens days or weeks or maybe even months later.

I cannot say for definitely sure, but this looks like a problem with specific feeds. This happens when the unique feed entry ID changes. Some websites use the URL as their ID (thereby committing to never changing it, according to the Atom and RSS standard), but then sometime down the line, they decide to change the URL. Maybe they added or removed .html or / from the URL for vanity, or restructured their website in some way. Under these circumstances, feed readers will duplicate feed items as the old items with new IDs will appear as new.

(There could of course be a bug in Vivaldi Feeds too. However, decades of experience with RSS has taught me that it’s most often just a matter of the website having changed their IDs when they’re not supposed to.)

mossman

@daniel for me it happens with most of my "news" feeds - BBC, Guardian, Pitpass (F1 news), etc.

I get the same articles pass by several times in a day and regularly have to scan the feed to see if anythings new while deleting all the duplicates. It's pretty annoying...

ybjrepnfr

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

looks like a problem with specific feeds

i gave you only one example. that same necro-fetching occurs for numerous other configured channels too... similar to ...

@mossman said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

happens with most of my "news" feeds

@mossman said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

regularly have to scan the feed to see if anythings new while deleting all the duplicates

if i remember correctly, the forum shows that many of us have mentioned / explained this chronic problem numerous times before, yet [rightly or wrongly] i get the impression it always seems to be a "surprise" to the devs.

ybjrepnfr

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

most often just a matter of the website having changed their IDs when they’re not supposed to

others have also said this before, but with respect, this does not ring true to me, because i do not only use vivaldi... in my non-chromium browser, with the feedbro addon, for the same channel example i posted earlier, none of those duplicates occur.

mossman

@ybjrepnfr said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

if i remember correctly, the forum shows that many of us have mentioned / explained this chronic problem numerous times before, yet [rightly or wrongly] i get the impression it always seems to be a "surprise" to the devs.

Yes, I have gone on about it several times and I think you have too. It defeats the purpose of a newsfeed when it's basically the same as looking at the website myself every five minutes and trying to spot what's new that way instead...

mossman

@mossman except if I look at the webpage I don't have to waste time deleting hundreds of posts every day...

vankom

Thank you for this hint: Disable browser window in portal.