Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3

[daniel]

@Tealing said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

The UI font stack for Linux was changed in the beginning of this month in VB-97787.
Ok. Why? Can't find anything with that bug number.

It got omitted by the change log by mistake. These things happen.

The old stack used Ubuntu...
I guess this removal of "Ubuntu" font is the change I'm seeing. Why was it removed? Doesn't Ubuntu and at least Mint use it?

Ubuntu (the Linux distribution) uses a mix of Cantarell and Ubuntu (the font) these days. Ideally, Vivaldi would like to use the “system-ui” font on Linux as it does on MacOS and Windows. “system-ui” us a special font name that tells the font rendering system that it should return the system-default UI font. Unfortunately, this is left undefined in most Linux distributions and the upstream FontConfig project leaves it up to the distributions to define it.

[daniel]

@OakdaleFTL I’ve confirmed that there’s nothing obviously wrong with the app bundle. What version of MacOS are you running? Vivaldi supports MacOS version 10.13 and newer. You seem to be moving app bundles with terminal. Are you sure you didn’t do a non-recursive/shallow move or copy?

[Pathduck]

@daniel said in Catch up – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3054.3:

The button was made larger and we gave it an drop-down arrow to help new users locate the menu button. The problem with the old design was that it looked too much like the standard app-icon-to-the-left-in-the-window-title-bar-icon.

I understand - I was just being my grumpy usual change-loathing self

I guess being so used to the Opera interface it was just obvious to me when starting with Vivaldi that the menu was located there. Fortunately, this is Vivaldi, so it's easy to remove with some custom CSS. And maybe some day an option might come along, who knows?

Looking at Opera, there's no indication that the full menu is located there:

In Firefox there's no menu button at all, the user has to hit Alt to show a real menu at all.

There's the "hamburger" menu of course:

But in my experience some users - especially the older generation - has no way of knowing that "three horizontal lines" means a menu. For us in the know it's "obvious" but this is just something we've agreed on - hamburger means menu, who "decided" this to be a common icon?

[daniel]

@Tealing said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

Would it be possible to add an option to remove the "dropdown icon" from the Vivaldi Menu button? I hate it. So much that I had to change to the other "Menu icon".

@Tealing Just be happy we didn’t go full Windows 95 on you! https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/4UxwAlqCCmk

[OakdaleFTL]

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

@OakdaleFTL I’ve confirmed that there’s nothing obviously wrong with the app bundle. What version of MacOS are you running? Vivaldi supports MacOS version 10.13 and newer. You seem to be moving app bundles with terminal. Are you sure you didn’t do a non-recursive/shallow move or copy?

No, I hadn't used the terminal for anything except to verify the file permissions...and to see that, indeed, the package was all there! But my install was somehow corrupted -in an unobvious way: As well as what I noted previously, the app couldn't be deleted!

But I was able to re-install...requesting an over-write. (The result is shown in the above snippet of the Finder's Applications window...)

A re-boot of my system cured the anomaly. (I suspect the APFS on my aging HDD has some occasional problems.) At any rate, things are back to normal — the un-deletable app folder is gone and the re-installation works as expected.

Sorry to clutter this thread with this problem, that likely is unique to my system!

[Pathduck]

@daniel Oof, those things are terrible. It's like when I visit some sites (Discord or some Google services for instance) they just love to show off their new features by pestering the user with dialogs - "look here, try this new button!" Dismiss, dismiss, got it, fine, close.

It's the same in video games, through the first hours of the game, a constant spamming of tutorial dialogs getting in the way. I prefer to investigate UIs in my own time to learn what stuff does, not get it pushed in my face as a barrage of dialog boxes I have to click away.

[easyj]

[Tealing]

@daniel said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

Ubuntu (the Linux distribution) uses a mix of Cantarell and Ubuntu (the font) these days. Ideally, Vivaldi would like to use the “system-ui” font on Linux as it does on MacOS and Windows. “system-ui” us a special font name that tells the font rendering system that it should return the system-default UI font. Unfortunately, this is left undefined in most Linux distributions and the upstream FontConfig project leaves it up to the distributions to define it.

Ok. Please consider, if it's even possible, to make a new setting to change these. I don't feel that some kind of CSS hack is the right way to go with this. I mean, it is kind of weird that Vivaldi wants to be a browser that the user can modify in any way possible (with easy UI options) and there's still no options to modify UI text fonts. Thanks.

[Tealing]

Thanks all for the help. I managed to add custom CSS. Even added 1 more customization I have dreamed for long.

/* Change UI fonts back to what it was before change in 2023-06. */
* { font-family: Ubuntu, system-ui, sans-serif !important; }

/* Remove Vivaldi Menu Button expand arrow. */
#browser:has(.vivaldi-v) {--menuWidth: 34px;}
.vivaldi .expand-arrow {display: none;}

/* Remove "Open new Tab" Button from Tab Bar. */
.newtab {display: none;}

[Pathduck]

@Tealing said in Same old New Window now opens faster – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3062.3:

display: none

You will learn to love display: none;

[adacom]

have i missed something - all my JS mods have stopped working - i found this

If you encounter a new issue in this update, please navigate to vivaldi://experiments, temporarily enable the “Disable browser window in portal” option, and see if the problem persists

if i do as instructed then the JS mods work again

[Hadden89]

@adacom likely js mods relies on the legacy windowing system.

@daniel Why not going with something more interactive?

[killchain]

What's up with the new animation when going through Speed Dial folders? At first it feels like something is not right (even if I realise that it's because I'm seeing a different animation).

Edit: must've been some sort of a glitch on initial load. Right now the animations look like they did before.

[nomadic]

@adacom What a scary thing to read

From a quick test it looks like adding the script tags to the window.html instead of browser.html seems to work. Give that a try and see if it works.

Here is an easy bit of JS for testing. It prints "Working" to the UI devTools console:

(function test() {
  setInterval(() => {
    console.log("Working");
  }, 1000);
})();

[adacom]

@nomadic - well done that works for me - i had tried adding the js calls to main.html but that did not work - your method seems to solve it

[olli]

@daniel said:

@olli: It’ super-easy to parse! [The] Same old New Window [as before] now opens faster [than before]. Grammarly says it should be comprehendible.
Maybe Grammarly has a bug?

[ybjrepnfr]

oh goody. this or the previous snappie seems to have again broken the mod to auto-open the panel on hover. time to scour the forum again in hope the clever peeps wot wrote said mod, have had a chance to apply whatever fix is needed.

these routine breakages never stop being fun...

oh sisyphus, my sisyphus.

[ybjrepnfr]

@ybjrepnfr oh, another goody, yet more delight. this snappie just pulled in another ginormous batch of necro-fetched rss feeds.

such fun.

[thomasp]

oh goody. this or the previous snappie seems to have again broken the mod to auto-open the panel on hover

@ybjrepnfr assuming this is a JS mod, did you try the solution from @nomadic a few posts above?

From a quick test it looks like adding the script tags to the window.html instead of browser.html seems to work. Give that a try and see if it works.

[Hadden89]

@Pathduck quite sure the hamburger menu was popularized by android/chrome but come from xerox era (deja vu).
A bordered button (current) is the best way for a menu. The arrow could be made optional with right click.