Vertical scroll bar too narrow to grab

[SteveA1952]

On several sites I visited in the past day or two (motorola.com for example) on my 1K, 2K or 4k monitors the scroll bar is so narrow it can't be grabbed. When the mouse moves over the scroll bar, it grabs the edge of the window to resize the window, but it is impossible to grab the scroll bar without "zooming in" on the page.

The keyboard arrows work to scroll the page but no way to use the mouse.

My suggestion would be to set a minimum scroll bar size so it will always can be grabbed.

[Pesala]

@SteveA1952 Apparently, the website is infected.

Settings, Appearance, and make sure this is disabled:

Use Simple Scrollbars

[SteveA1952]

@Pesala Sorry, typo on the web site: motorola.com.

[Pesala]

@SteveA1952 The scrollbars are normal for me; check the setting in Appearance.

[Pathduck]

Apparently, the Motorola people thinks everyone has a mouse with a scroll wheel...

Here's Vivaldi, Chrome, Edge, Opera:

However, it is actually possible to grab the scrollbar in those other browsers, even though it takes a very steady hand. `
"Accessibility guidelines, what's that?"

In Vivaldi however, it is basically impossible - the window size handle appears instead - unless the browser is maximized, in which case it's ok. So I'd call that a bug, maybe?

@Pesala I don't think the "Use Simple Scrollbars" setting will change anything - AFAIK it only affects the Vivaldi internal pages? Maybe I'm wrong - not sure what you mean by they appear "normal"?

[mib2berlin]

@Pathduck
Hi, they appear normal:

The link send me to motorola.de, maybe this a localization issue.

EDIT: Tested on Linux and Windows 11, Vivaldi 6.1.3035.84, clean profile.

[Ayespy]

@SteveA1952 motorola.com disables the Vivaldi scrollbar and replaces it with one of its own.

The Vivaldi scrollbar is more than twice that wide. It will take specialized coding to prevent Motorola from doing that.

[Pathduck]

@mib2berlin Yeah, scrollbar is normal on motorola.de - and also motorola.co.uk so that explains the confusion

Even worse example I found:
https://www.cityplumbing.co.uk/
What are these people thinking...

Since the scrollbar is important for accessibility (some users have no scroll wheel, can't use the keyboard, PgDown/PgUp doesn't always work on sites), it's really bad that sites are allowed to change it this much. There should at least be a minimum width.

It can be changed with a CSS Userscript but that's not something most users will understand. There really should be a browser option to not let sites override the scrollbar at all.

[Pesala]

@Pathduck said in Vertical scroll bar too narrow to grab:

What are these people thinking...

That everyone browses in a maximised window, and does not have a panel toolbar on the right? In this case, there is no problem grabbing the scrollbar as it has infinite width.

I suggest, that if you regularly use a site with such issues, contact the site's owner and tell them about the issue.

[Pathduck]

@Pesala said in Vertical scroll bar too narrow to grab:

and does not have a panel toolbar on the right?

Well, actually with panels on the right - this specific issue (not being able to grab the scroll bar) goes away as the scrollbar can then be grabbed without activating the window resize. With tabs on the right - issue is still there, it just activates the panel resize instead...

I suggest, that if you regularly use a site with such issues, contact the site's owner and tell them about the issue.

True, that's probably the quickest. That, or buy a proper mouse with a scroll wheel
(Note: I don't have a problem on these sites, I have a Real Mouse)

I found a relevant VB:
VB-96279 - Scrollbar unclickable for scrolling pages
reported for the plumbing site above. So I've confirmed it for 6.1 as well. It should be fixed in Vivaldi to at least work like the other browsers.