I Reported A Password Bug
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I don't recall exactly where or how I did it but I reported a password bug some time back but it still seems to be a problem.
What I found was that when I returned to various sites there were multiple password matches that have no password and for some reason they seem to be the ones presented in the list you are shown during login if you have more than one. I'm not sure how they even got saved. I would not save anything with a blank password and interestingly it's usually the userid that's blank when the pop-up asking to save a password is displayed at which point I fill-in the userid or email depending.
I'd like to know if there's a way to get a status on this. I'm not even convinced that these empty password records have even stopped being created. If I encounter them I will delete them but there's no obvious way of knowing they even exist since they still show asterisks in the password list regardless of having an invalid password. Maybe you could at least make an alternative to the asterisks when the field is empty like &&&&&& instead? Then you'd know not to display them when a site is asking for a logon and they could be exported and cleaned up. I don't think that I'd want some type of process to clean them up without my intervention as they may be the only record of a userid or email so I need to see if there are other options for a site and do they have the same user before I'd want to scrub them.
But still a status up date would be nice.
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@CityguyUSA
Hi, did you really report it to the Vivaldi bug tracker?
Then you should got a confirmation mail with the bug number.
If you post it in the forum this was not a report, this is more to get feedback and maybe a confirmation of the issue.Cheers, mib
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I went back through my mail and I have an email with what they call a key but it doesn't tell you how to follow-up or anything.
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@CityguyUSA
If it start with VB- it is the bug number.
The bug tracker is closed, you can ask for the status in in the appropriate thread:https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/27450/what-is-the-status-of-vb-already-reported-bug-issue/
I can reach the internal bug tracker and post it here but it is better to follow in the status tread.
Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin
Hi, I read your post in the status thread and can't reproduce it either.
I have several login pages presenting a list but none with an empty password.
No idea how this could be.Cheers, mib
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@CityguyUSA So you don't want to (and should not) send your actual password file to Vivaldi to figure out what went wrong with it, but what you describes seems to indicate that something is corrupted about your login data file. There is no way to reproduce what you are experiencing if the file is intact. The usual symptom of a corrupted file is that Vivaldi stops being able to save and/or create usernames and/or passwords - not selectively, but globally. The remedy is to replace the file with a clean one, whereupon everything suddenly goes back to working as expected.
It's not anything Vivaldi is doing. It is something wrong with the actual file.
If you have lots of passwords you're unsure you can remember, you should try to export the file contents so that you have a reference source as you begin to access these secure sites again.
Then you delete or rename the login data file, which causes Vivaldi to create a fresh one, and go back to surfing. All of your usernames and passwords will be gone, and you'll have to rebuild them as you re-visit the sites, but at least it will be working properly again.
Know this: Whenever you visit a site that requires you to use two-factor identification, or sends you a verification code, Vivaldi (or any browser) may ask if you want to save a (new) credential upon the site accepting your verification code. At this stage of logging in, you will create erroneous entries if you accept the invitation to save. Don't do that. Only accept the invitation if it is a response to your creating a first or a new password - not if you just entered a verification code.
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I started with a perfectly clean file that I imported that didn't even have dups. And no matter the amount of these problems I cleanup there are more created. I don't save sites that I've already saved. I cannot believe that I am the only one with this problem. If you read my prior post I have offered some suggestions that would help identify the data problems. It wouldn't identify why there are data problems but at least it would be an insight.
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@CityguyUSA What sorts of sites are you finding this on?
As I have never (on eleven machines, four different OSes, over 20 instances of Vivaldi) had a similar problem, I "can't believe" you are having this problem without some factor local to you interfering with the normal functioning of the browser.
Truth told, I can believe you are having the problem. As you are the first to report it manifesting in this fashion, I can also believe that the source of this specific manifestation is local to you, your computing environment, the extensions you use in the browser and the apps you employ on your machine.
So you report it manifests on a totally clean login data file. Could you please let us know exactly what you did and exactly what happened on which exact site to produce the blank username or password problem? It could be important. It could be that some sites that use non-standard "login" pages/dilaogues are involved, which at present, Vivaldi cannot recognize as valid login pages/dialogues - causing it to fail to record entered data.
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My first guess would be during import and if I have my original file that might be something I could check but I don't know for sure if I do. I verified that the browser I used as the base didn't have any issues and still doesn't so that makes it a Vivaldi problem.
I'm a power user so I often come across stuff that others don't.
When I look down through my password list I can see obvious passwords that are missing users. I'd have to export the passwords to Excel or something to see how many passwords are bad but what makes it bad is that for whatever reason when you go to a site the password is autofill or if you don't have autofill on the list you are presented has the missing password at the top. A resorting could at least make it less of a pita by sorting them to the bottom. But of course changing blank passwords to represent with something other than "*" would id how many people have the problem.
Many people don't even report problems they just go on. After all the software industry is the worst it's ever been with more failures and inconsistent results. Take Microsoft. A hugely dispersed OS that has so many problems that probably 1/4 of the online sites are dedicated to trying to resolve the problems by the unemployed MSCEs that couldn't get jobs but they don't have the answers because an MSCE is about creating more crap not fixing the crap. The only products that seem to work are the ones that are dedicated to one function like daemons. Apps are the worst because unfortunately anyone can code one but the quality is horrible and then they stop supporting them leaving the user with no way to extract their data to even move it to another option. I blame Google for a lot of this garbage they've allowed this to happen without any plan in place for maintaining the abandonware. They can't even keep YouTube playlists working and depending what device you're using they work differently. It's a horrible mess. eBay and Amazon can't even sort products by lowest price yet they give you the option to do it. Filters are nice but rarely have measurements or all the specs needed to isolate a single workable product. Duck, Duck Go shows a page of results then at the bottom it starts with rentals and real estate based on your computers apparent location which rarely works because in my case it's tied to the Verizon CO but I don't even get a consistent location even though my IP doesn't change. My location can be off by hours of travel in any direction and so I block it to reduce problems.
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@CityguyUSA My definition of a totally clean login data file is one that has absolutely no data in it, and has never been used. This is the file Vivaldi would use on first install before any changes are made, or the file Vivaldi creates when you rename or remove this login data file. Have you tried using such a file? For instance, have you tested in a guest profile?
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I can't say I have nor would I want to in a world where almost every site requires a logon. That would be very unproductive. Even chasing down a sing;;e site's logon info, for whatever reason when it's not available in Vivaldi, can take some time. Worst case is you may have updated your email or password on a site in Vivaldi where access to credentials is no longer accurate in the imported file or it was never in the file. Then to find that info where you are not sure of the logon user which just happened yesterday took till today to resolve. I can't say it was Vivaldi related or not or just an abnormal situation but I would have no interest in trying to rebuild my passwords from scratch without some type of tool to automatically copy them into a new Vivaldi file but even with that you have sites that you don't visit but rarely that I would have any way of knowing what was missing from any newly created file without significant work on someone's part.
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@CityguyUSA So if you have imported a foreign password file from a browser that uses a different storage format (and they all do), it's very hard for anyone here to predict how that is going to act in Vivaldi.
I would (and have) export a working password file to text or comma-delimited format, and start with a totally clean login data file in Vivaldi. Then I just go about my business. When I get to a password-protected page where I recall the credentials, I Just enter them and keep going. If I reach a page where I don't recall the credentials, I look them up in my human-readable exported file. And keep on going. It's not long before I have a fully-filled and properly-working password file.
Of course it's been years since I faced any such problem because my passwords are synced, and if I encounter a corrupted login data file all I have to do is delete it, and the passwords rebuild themselves from sync.
But if you have a file full of foreign data which you are unwilling to replace, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas that might help. Maybe someone has better ideas than I do.