Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers

Catweazle

@Stardust, all Chromiums, if they want. can support Mv2 until the Timeout next year,calso Vivaldi will do this. The problem is only the Chrome Store until then and for all Chromium without an own store.

But we'll see the amount of Chromiums, when it's base change and they not longer support Mv2 extensions and if it make sense for the corresponding devs the effort to patch it and if it make sense of the devs from these extensions to continue with Mv2, earlier and later not only for Chromiums also for the rest.

It's way more complicated to center only the attencion in the browsers, which support it and which not. Google will make Mv3 the new Webstandart and with its Marketshare, so it will be. Poor browsers only those which can't improve it's own inbuild security and privacy measures, depending on the measures which Google offers.

barbudo2005

And you using uBO today, what will you do on July 1, 2025?

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, that is the point. It's more productive to think in making vivadi independent from Chrome Store and blocker extensions.

It don't make sense to make uBO the center of our life and extensions which are not longer in the store next year or which Google can delete from our Browser when ever he want.

Stardust

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

And you using uBO today, what will you do on July 1, 2025?

I will keep using uBO in the future. uBO is not going away!

Catweazle

Nice article about Adblocker next year, also Vivaldi mencioned
https://oisd.nl

Also a good list to adding to Vivaldi's adblocker (by TOOLZ)

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/d3ward/toolz/master/src/d3host.txt

barbudo2005

@Stardust

Said:

I will keep using uBO in the future. uBO is not going away!

What does it mean?

Stardust

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

@Stardust

Said:

I will keep using uBO in the future. uBO is not going away!

What does it mean?

uBO is not going to die soon. I am not looking for alternatives while the best ad-blocking tool exists. When it's not longer possible to use uBO in Vivaldi I will nominate Firefox as primary browser

Catweazle

@Stardust, syncing with Mozilla and giving your data to Google and another ad-company in th Mozilla contracts, because an extension is maybe somewhat better as Vivaldi's inbuild feature in blocking an ocassional ad?
At least for me it don't make sense, I don't see any ad with the Vivaldi blocker, not even in YT adding a little 4 line script and with an100% score in Toolz.

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

syncing with Mozilla and giving your data to Google and another ad-company in th Mozilla contracts, because an extension is maybe somewhat better as Vivaldi's inbuild feature in blocking an ocassional ad?

I am not very exited of using Firefox with telemetry and new PPI ad tracking api but it can be disable in the settings.

We're talking about uBO here, the best extension ever created, the most essential tool for blocking ads/trackers/domains. Vivaldi internal built-in blocker is nothing close to uBO especially when uBO in Advanced mode.

Catweazle

@Stardust, agree that uBO is the best adblocker and the Vivaldi blocker isn't still so powerfull. But I see the thing more globally, not depending the use of an browser to an extension, even if the own feature isn't so perfect as the extension, but on the other hand good enough for the daiky use. Above if you with the alternative browser and this good extension not more protected and with way less features, You can desactivate the tracking of Mozilla in Firefox, but not in Mozilla itself if you create an account for sync. In Vivaldi you don't need to desactivate the tracking, because it don't exist.
You see an banner in a website with the Vivaldi blocker? "ahhh, horrible, it don't work, with uBO it don't appear or I can delete it"
Well, also in Vivaldi with a little script you can do it, period.
I even enjoy YT without ads, nags, clickbaits and annoyances without problems and without uBO.

barbudo2005

@Stardust

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We're talking about uBO here, the best extension ever created, the most essential tool for blocking ads/trackers/domains.

Anything you do in uBO you can do in Adguard, so it can be concluded that you are in love with the uBO fetish and not its functionality.

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

You can desactivate the tracking of Mozilla in Firefox, but not in Mozilla itself if you create an account for sync. In Vivaldi you don't need to desactivate the tracking, because it don't exist.

I don't use sync feature in Vivaldi and Firefox. I think you need to disable Google Services in Vivaldi too after fresh installation on Privacy page (and other options like automatic crash reports). Not sure if they're disabled by default.

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

Well, also in Vivaldi with a little script you can do it, period.

Sounds like a bad idea to install some random script from internet last updated in 2018.

Stardust

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

Anything you do in uBO you can do in Adguard, so it can be concluded that you are in love with the uBO fetish and not its functionality.

Why not functionality? I use uBO in Advanced mode, love its efficiency and power features.

uBO

Anything you do in uBO you can do in Adguard

I haven't tried Adguard as I have been using uBO for years without problems.

Also Adguard extension is not only product of Adguard company so it's not their only focus. It doesn't feel like true community open source project like uBO that you can trust.

Did Adguard abandon their MV2 extension?

barbudo2005

@Stardust

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Why not functionality? I use uBO in Advanced mode, love its efficiency and power features.

What I meant to say is that you are more in love with the fetish than with its functionality. Anyone who uses it is more than happy with its functionality.

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I haven't tried Adguard.

This sentence confirms the above, you don't want to give yourself the opportunity to try it, lest you realize that the functionality is the same and you have to give up the fetish.

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I have been using uBO for years without problems.

That valuable information you have accumulated over the years can be preserved in Adguard.

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Also Adguard extension is not only product of Adguard company so it's not their only focus.

On the contrary, more users reporting problems in different areas improve the extension.

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It doesn't feel like true community open source project …

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Did Adguard abandon their MV2 extension?

No, is maintained at Firefox.

Having clarified the points, everyone is free to do as he pleases.

Stardust

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

This sentence confirms the above, you don't want to give yourself the opportunity to try it, lest you realize that the functionality is the same and you have to give up the fetish.

I highly doubt that it can beat uBO
As I said above I trust uBO main developer and community open source nature.

Adguard is a for-profit company and extension is not their only product.

Catweazle

@Stardust, yes, normally it isn't recommended to use outdated apps, but some scripts, like also the YT Embed Redirect, have a fixed basic function which always work, they don't need frecuent updates to adapt their function because changing requests.
The YT embed redirect don't do other thing as changing the YT URL to embed, only avoid to have to do it by hand. There isn't any need to change it, even if it's an old script, it will work until something change the URL system.
Greasyfork community itself flags and eliminate outdated and dangerous scripts, it's as trustworth or even more than the Chrome Store.

Well, in Vivaldi you have to desactivate the Google safe browsing, same as in Firefox, despite calling it Mozilla safe browsing, it's also from Google. Google meets, I don't use and Webstore if you don't want the automatic updates of the extension. More?

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

Greasyfork community itself flags and eliminate outdated and dangerous scripts, it's as trustworth or even more than the Chrome Store.

never heard of Greasyfork community

Catweazle

@Stardust, https://greasyfork.org/en/discussions

In the Chrome Store there are more and more proprietary extension, without even with specifications of the homepage, most extension flagged to be eliminated are OpenSource.
IN Greasyfork and also OpenuserJS you can see and control the code of any script. The downloaded script.js is a plain text file which you can open, read and even modify to your like (if you know to do it). It'0s similar to the filterlist you add to the Vivaldi blocker, which also in plain text.
Not the cse in extensions from the store, less if they are proprietary and with fishy PP, controled by Google. uBO is FOSS, yes, but most are not. Even ABP isn't if you use it as alternative. Same with other security and privacy related extension. If they don't fit the Google requests (mot only respect Mv3) they will disappear from the store and with this also from the browser. Thanks, Ive seen it several times in the past.

Stardust

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

If they don't fit the Google requests (mot only respect Mv3) they will disappear from the store and with this also from the browser.

I don't care much about Chrome Store. As long as it would be possible to sideload uBO, I am good. I care mostly about uBO.

Catweazle

@Stardust, it's understandable, it's a mess with this Google ideas. But there are always measures to show the middle finger out there. At least I don't feel the need to put 8 years of my Vivldi history in the trash because a f... extension.