Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers

barbudo2005

I ask to those who know filter syntax:

Is this?

||fonts.googleapis.com
||google-analytics.com
||gstatic.com

Equal to this?

barbudo2005

Those of you who use uBOL or Adguard MV3 will have noticed that the extension can’t update filter rules dynamically and are only updated with the extension itself.

New with the Adguard version 5.0.91 Release date: September 19, 2024:

"We found a way around this: the new filter uses dynamic rules and provides the most reliable operation of our filters. AdGuard Quick Fixes uses dynamic rules to make adjustments in real time without significantly affecting the user’s dynamic rules limit. It’s fast, efficient, and perfect for seamless filtering in the demanding MV3 environment."

"Filter to quickly resolve content filtering issues on popular websites without updating the extension" For example: Youtube
Look the update : September 20

barbudo2005

Statistics:

Catweazle

This month with the Vivaldi blocker
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Pathduck

@Catweazle You must browse some really nasty websites

Isn't that number a total since the start, unless you've reset it?

Anyway, great numbers, just imagine the bandwidth and processing power saved!

Adblockers are great for the enviroment!

@barbudo2005 Do you run the "companion" program on the machine or just the extension? It seems they keep pushing their "app" on users?

But Adguard seems pretty good, I believe it was one of the first adblocker extensions that upgraded to Mv3, which tells me they pay attention and are serious about their product at least.

barbudo2005

@Pathduck

Said;

Do you run the "companion" program on the machine or just the extension?

I am testing in Chrome the extension Adguard Adblocker that is now MV3.

It seems they keep pushing their "app" on users?

What do you mean?

But Adguard seems pretty good, I believe it was one of the first adblocker extensions that upgraded to Mv3, which tells me they pay attention and are serious about their product at least.

Try it. It would be interesting to know what you think of it.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/adguard-adblocker/bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg

Pathduck

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

I am testing in Chrome the extension Adguard Adblocker that is now MV3.

Isn't it better to test in a Standalone install of Vivaldi?

What do you mean?

I mean this program you can install, in addition to the extension:
https://adguard.com/en/adguard-windows/overview.html
I've never seen much use for such programs, so just wondering if it's "required" to get the most out of the extension.

barbudo2005

@Pathduck

Said:

so just wondering if it's "required" to get the most out of the extension.

I think it is not required.

electryon

@Pathduck said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

I mean this program you can install, in addition to the extension:
https://adguard.com/en/adguard-windows/overview.html
I've never seen much use for such programs, so just wondering if it's "required" to get the most out of the extension.

Adguard MV3, the extension does not need the app.
The app comes though with a userscript manager too and it also loads a javascript popup blocker.
If you install Tampermonkey or Violentmonkey in Vivaldi and install Adguard Popup blocker together with Adguard MV3 you get the same stuff.

But since Adguard MV3 has to do various workarounds keep in mind that when you open Vivaldi and the tab that is restored is a heavy site, it will take time for Adguard MV3 to apply the filters. So you may see ads for some seconds and then they will be removed.
UBOL is not affected by this because it is coded differently without custom filtering support.

Adguard Popup blocker (it blocks many popups and asks if you want to block them forever or not).
Everybody should install this no matter if he uses Adguard MV3, UBOL or Vivaldi's native adblocker.
Because only UBO supports $popup.
Adguard Popup blocker is a great popup blocker.

https://github.com/AdguardTeam/PopupBlocker

https://userscripts.adtidy.org/release/popup-blocker/2.5/popupblocker.user.js

Catweazle

@Pathduck, mostly from YouTube (blcked in every visit >30 ads and almost 50 trackers, there is also Discord which I visit, because it's the support page from ShareX and Andisearch, Discord also isn't much better as YouTube, + the crap from other pages, newspapers and forums, I get fast this numbers.
Yes, ad/trackerblocker are vital, Internet nowadays is a nasty jungle.

barbudo2005

@Pathduck said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

@barbudo2005 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

I am testing in Chrome the extension Adguard Adblocker that is now MV3.

Isn't it better to test in a Standalone install of Vivaldi?

I'm doing it expressly in Chrome to know its effectiveness, because if Chrome is "able to delete some filter lists inside the extension", and it works fine; then in Vivaldi which doesn't do that then it will work much better in Vivaldi.

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, that is the reason because I don't longer trust extensions from the Chrome Store, because I've seen that scripts were deleted from the Userscript Manager extension, that means, Google has access to the installed extension from the store and is perfectly capable to delete what it will, not possible in own features, filterlists or scripts installed directly as extension with it source in the HD instead in the by Google controlled extensions from the Store.
Now better using extensions from the store not related to blocking someting or privacy, like the DarkReader, Translation Tools, Emoji keyboard,.... things like these, if needed (also not really)

barbudo2005

@Catweazle

Read the text again and you will notice that 'this part' is in quotation marks, implying that it is an urban myth, which you happened to have created yourself because of an 'accident' that happened to you.

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, maybe, but I'm not so sure of this. It's anyway clear that extension from the store, now Mv3, are not the same as before and gutted by Google to fullfit it's norm and that Google control this privacy extensions from the Store is a fact. If these extensions do not comply with this standard or displease Google, they disappear from the Store and with this also from the browser, which has already happened a few times in the past, as you surely know.

Simply for this reason, I trust more in the corresponding functions and scripts that the browser incorporates, outside of the store and the influence of Google, especially in vital functions regarding security and privacy.

barbudo2005

From TheRegister.com:

"Chrome Web Store warns end is nigh for uBlock Origin
Will you see the Lite?"

https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/06/chrome_web_store_warns_end/

Pathduck

@barbudo2005 From the article:
"As a personal user, I hereby swear to uninstall Chrome the day ad blockers are removed."
""If or when Chrome kills this extension, I will move to Firefox and never return,""

LOL @ the stubborn persisence of Chrome users. Why haven't they done this like, years ago
Why not do it right now

Granite1

Could this also be an opportunity to improve Vivaldi's ad/tracker blocker?
The thing does not strip out the most basic tracker, the utm suffix in the address box. Example: open any RT.com page.
To me, the fact that this is not tackled by Vivaldi make me doubt its overall ad/tracker blocking efficacy.

To promote it as a good ad/tracker blocker is misleading, to put it mildly. If you want to compete in that field with a really good OOTB ad/tracker blocking browser, Brave, you need to do something to Vivaldi's tool.

Don't get me wrong, I love Vivaldi, and I will keep using with extensions Adguard and ClearURLs as far as this issue is concerned.

Catweazle

@Granite1, the RT.com page in my Vivaldi, I use only the inbuild blocker

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Thot

@Catweazle said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

the RT.com page in my Vivaldi, I use only the inbuild blocker

I didn't saw the warning. I can open the Site. Opened it in Private Window. Took a bit longer than usual, in the first place, with a white page in the beginning, but then opened. Inbuild Ad- and Trackerblockers enabled.

DoctorG

@Granite1 said in Manifest V3, webRequest, and ad blockers:

Example: open any RT.com page.

Blocked in some countries by internet providers.