mail should be separated from browser

[newscpq]

I wished that I could start Vivaldi with a "--mail mode" kindof startup option, so that it was setup like a "fake" e-mail only application, much like Outlook:

• only mail, calendar, contacts, downloads and feeds icons would be visible in the panels (no bookmarks, history, notes, windows)
• the e-mail TAB in this "Vivaldi --mail mode" would be "unclosable", so that the three e-mail blocks (e-mail views, incoming e-mails, and e-mail content) would always be visible
• URL clicked into any e-mail would be opened in a new fully featured separated Vivaldi window (and not in a TAB, right next to the mail TAB)

This way I would have a window for browsing the web and a different window, to check my e-mails, as I normally do with Vivaldi and Outlook.

Merging them together (www TABs and e-mail related TABs) is quite complicated, from my point of view: sometimes I click on a URL in an e-mail and it opens right next to the mail TAB and things get messy and I feel like there is not a clear workflow, in what I'm doing...

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Who votes to "separate" mail functions, at least as I described it (as a switch option to start Vivaldi, in "mail mode")?

Who, on the other hand, absolutely likes the way it is implemented now? Would you be so kind, to discuss with me why?

[WildEnte]

Apart from the last point (tabs automatically open in a new window) you can get there with a second profile. Set up a new profile, configure the UI per your liking, pin the mail tab and be happy. And I absolutely do not want a separation of mail and browser, it's one of the key benefits of Vivaldi

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/user-profiles/

[TbGbe]

@newscpq said in mail should be separated from browser:

sometimes I click on a URL in an e-mail and it opens right next to the mail TAB and things get messy and I feel like there is not a clear workflow

I'm not sure but perhaps you need to change "Settings/Tabs - New Tab position"; it sounds like you have "After active Tab" and would prefer "Last Tab"?

[newscpq]

@wildente said in mail should be separated from browser:

pin the mail tab and be happy

I'd had to add some feature so that the URL clicked into any e-mail message of my "mail-vivaldi-window" automatically opened in a "www-vivaldi-window".

I don't want web TABs mixed together with mail TABs: they are two completely different workflows, as I use them.

@wildente said in mail should be separated from browser:

key benefits of Vivaldi

why do you like it?

[WildEnte]

@newscpq said in mail should be separated from browser:

why do you like it?

When flying to Mars, I don't like to have to use two loosely connected space ships where one has the propulsion and the other has life support

[newscpq]

@wildente said in mail should be separated from browser:

loosely connected

but e-mail tasks and web browsing tasks aren't that much connected to one each other: much like sleeping on a bed cushion and firing a gun, I wouldn't put the pistol near, or under, the cushion...

[WildEnte]

@newscpq I consider Vivaldi my control center for all things related to the Internet. I do banking, reading news, I have my messengers in the panel, and when so many people do their mail stuff through webmail interfaces in their browser, isn't it natural to want mail be a part of the browser? Other people go to Facebook, Twitter, reddit and the like to talk to people and naturally do that through the browser. How is mail any different?

For me the question is really what the benefits of separation are. I can't think of any. But people are different and so the approach with profiles seems a good compromise for me

[WildEnte]

@guigirl interesting that you consider "quick death without life support or slow death without propulsion" a solution.

[Ayespy]

@newscpq said in mail should be separated from browser:

e-mail tasks and web browsing tasks aren't that much connected to one each other:

In my job, they are inextricably connected.

[Pesala]

1. I keep my email tab pinned in a separate window on my secondary monitor, so it is only ever one click away from being visible. Most of my work is done on my portrait monitor: that is what I am using for this reply, and where I run other applications. My landscape secondary monitor is where I watch video, or where I open tabs that are references for my current work project, so I can read them while working.
2. When email arrives, I receive a notification. I read it, and respond at once if it will not interrupt my work, or label it to do later.
3. If I open a link from an email, I rarely keep it. I read it, and then close the tab.
4. I keep the Panel Toolbar open on my Landscape monitor, so I can select contacts to send a mail. Usually, the received email folder has the focus.
5. I absolutely love the way that it works. Having only one monitor would be slightly inconvenient, but a separate window for email would be good enough for me.

There are some things that need to be fixed/improved.

1. Send by email should always open a Draft Tab on the email client window.
2. Open an Internet mailto: link should do the same.
3. Restarting Vivaldi sometimes puts the mail client on my primary monitor window. I have to close this window, restart Vivaldi, then reopen this window.

[newscpq]

@wildente said in mail should be separated from browser:

the benefits of separation are

e-mail, for me is: setting meetings, defining tasks, calling people. So, e-mail deals with persons.

web for me is: personal, boring, repetitive data entry, tasks, or similar stupid responses to online forms, or company process you have to fullfill, etc...

E-mail is a core, human related, unpredictable process that you have to structure and organize during the day, web instead is a simple task, it's a small part of something bigger to do. The benefit of separation is that the most valuable part of my job (e-mail and human processes) is not "accidentally closed" by a wrong click of the mouse: when I close a TAB of end some stupid web task, for instance.

Things get messy, If you can't easily separate those two separate worlds (human contacts (e-mail) and silly tasks (web)).

[newscpq]

@pesala said in mail should be separated from browser:

I keep my email tab pinned in a separate window on my secondary monitor

Exactly: e-mail activities are well separated (another window, on another monitor(!)) from web browsing tasks, in your regular workflow.

What if we could start a "Vivaldi e-mail instance" and a "Vivaldi web instance"? That's the core, of my wish: a command line option to start Vivaldi in some sort of "mail mode".

[Pesala]

@newscpq You could easily do that by running the mail in the Stable version while using the Snapshot as a standalone as your default for browsing. Or any combination of Snapshot, Stable, and Standalone versions.

[WildEnte]

@pesala @newscpq or by setting up a user profile for mail as I have described in my initial answer. All of the mentioned ways lack the ability to send links clicked in the mail only instance to the browser only instance though

[newscpq]

@wildente said in mail should be separated from browser:

All of the mentioned ways lack the ability to send links clicked in the mail only instance to the browser only instance though

And that's my point: e-mail and web browsing are mixed together

[Ayespy]

@newscpq said in mail should be separated from browser:

e-mail and web browsing are mixed together

Just as they are intended to be.