Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available
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Starting with Vivaldi 4.x the 32bit version for Debian Linux ist not downloadable anymore.
As especially Debian users chose this distribution to support older hardware for a long time, Vivald should join the spirit and support that platform.At least one version with Chrome >= 92.x should be made available, so that 32-bit users still can use Sync with their older browser, because by now Sync is not working anymore like expected for the latest 32bit Vivaldi 3.7.x with Vivaldi 4.x on the other devices.
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@asterx Can you find what you want in the archive?
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@asterx You're talking about using a old version of Vivaldi? That's a bad idea, unless you want to get a virus! You should use the latest version of Vivaldi, or baring that, the latest version of some other browser.
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@asterx Vivaldi 32bit versions with Chromium 92/93 core can not be created at this time for most Linux distributions.
A Chromium build issue.
Be sure, Vivaldi devs are keen to give you 32bit for Linux again. -
Hello!
(First post in Vivaldi forum.)
I just tried Vivaldi 2 or 3 days ago and it's almost exactly what I was searching for for my old 32 bits laptop under Lubuntu 18.04 (last 32 bits version supported, until 2023 as I read).
Firefox is slow on my 32 bits, I didn't really know it was until I tried Chromium on it, which is 2 times faster! But Chromium sends my all life to Google, and misses features for tabcoholics like me. Yet I stayed with it, for its speed, as all open source ungoogled Chromiums are 64b. At least I thought so until this week when I saw Vivaldi was open source + ~ungoogled + tabcoholics-friendly! What a happiness (despite some flaws but nobody is perfect, espescially a recent browser). Trying it with 60 loaded tabs confirmed a bit slower than Chromium maybe, but still way faster than Firefox.So I've been rather anxious when i saw I was stuck in 3.7, but thanks to this post and most recent answer it seems there's hope?
Vivaldi download page tells me there's a new version but gives me the same 3.7 I already have.A little good news maybe, cause in the links given to archives we can see a nice vivaldi-stable_3.8.2259.42-1_i386.deb, which is not 4.1 but wich is more than 3.7, I downloaded it, can I install it? Why doesn't Vivaldi propose it instead of 3.7, is there a problem?
I also would like to know if there is a way to hear news about possible advancement in a hoped new 32 bits .deb version, for instance if we can expect it in 3 monthes or in 3 years.I feel that I'm gonna keep using this 3.7 (or 3.8?) version, is it really dangerous? I don't browse on dangerous sites (I guess), I use uBlock Origin, ClearURLs, NoScript, and Decentraleyes (addons), and made modifications in Vivaldi settings that maybe limit a bit risks. I try to limit privacy/security addons count to avoid losing the speed I finally found, but I could add 2 or 3 more, and search for more modifications maybe that could improve security until a new version...
Maybe also use an antivirus for *Ubuntu, but I can't do too complicated things (not clever enough and missing time).Thank you! If some one can answer to 3.8 OK or not, and where to find news, and is 3.7/8 dangerous .
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@vvduser As general rule would be better to stay on latest chromium available to get the most recent security fixes.
The issue is, at the moment, that v-chromium builds for x32 are broken, so Vivaldi 4.x for i386 is not build-able.
For such reason, the devs can't encourage to use a legacy version (3.x) but for most people using an older build or using both firefox - for critical services, like home banking - and chromium/vivaldi for normal browsing is not an issue at all but some sites could say are you using an unsupported browser (you can bypass this changing the User Agent to a more recent chromium). By the way, the choice on what to do is yours.Vivaldi Stable+Snap | Patience Is The Key To Get The Vivaldi Spree | Unsupported Extensions | Github | w11 + Kde Manjaro + Android 13
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@hadden89 said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
for most people using an older build or using both firefox - for critical services, like home banking - and chromium/vivaldi for normal browsing is not an issue at all
I wouldn't say that. Using an out-of-date browser is a security risk. In that situation, better to just use Firefox (for both normal browsing and critical services).
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Thanks for 2 answers!
Things are a bit clearer now, and in the same time finally I'm a bit lost.
I think I could take the risk with 3.7/8 too old browser, even if I don't really understand how risky it is. Using Firefox for most critical use OK thank you for that, which I already did more or less.
Even if in fact in a 32 bits case like or other ones's, Firefox is real slow, and opening 2 browsers eats up memory and slows yet more everything, but more or less bearable for a few time.In fact... for the moment I think that I'm gonna go back to Chromium, which I have as 92.0.4515.159-0ubuntu0.18.04.1. So with Google and difficult tab managing but it is more recent than Vivaldi 3.7/8 if I understood.
Pale Moon or Basilik or SeaMonkey are maybe also a possibility? As they seem pretty fast (?, and with many tabs?). Pale Moon has few extensions but uBlok Origin, and Tab Mix Plus for tabs, and SeaMonkey few addons also but I just saw it can have extra ones with a converter . But I would miss too much an addon wich saves pages in 1 html file and lightens them too, and I don't think it exist here, and anyway I miss time to make hours of tests and searches, so I give it up.
But I could maybe use Pale Moon for critical use and pages I'm not keen to save. More tests and information search...I just changed my mind I stay on Vivaldi! Well I'm really lost.
Excuse me if I was out of the topic, but maybe a temporary replacement solution is part of the topic.
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@guigirl said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
this will be deeply unpopular to say out loud
I just realized that voicing unpopular opinions was part of the job description of the jester in the old days.
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Hello!
I don't wan't to pollute this topic so I try to be short, but I rather agree with it, @guigirlguigirl.
Upcoming increasing difficulties is probably just a fact.
And also, it is not because I use a 32 bits computer that I find it a clever thing to do, but some have probably no choice, or some love it for collection or geek purpose, or else (I say it as non-geek and not-savvy at all to people who surely know more than me this scope).I've already been told this on another forum, and yet worse, advising me for example to buy a second hand 64 bits computer, for nowadays, prices came low. Which is a good idea if you have got 100 or 300 $/€ maybe. BUT I also answered that there is a mistake in this advice, that if you are a Linux user, there are odds that you hope for "a better world", and even 2nd hand, is it "better-world-like" to buy something that is low price because it has been built by exploitation, slavery and wars? (coltan, etc). So the price aspect should be "Try to save money to buy a small 1000$ 64b computer (the normal price?), I hope you can". So there are computers that try to be "ethical" and so on.
Another thing could be that time lost in computer slowness and extra software problems (like here there is a one), would be better employed in other more efficient actions for a "better world", and then it can be nonsense to stay on 32b if you can afford a 64b even with slavery, for with the time gained you can do some things much better than the trouble you caused with your purchase.(Hey you, it was not short!!)
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@guigirl said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
because sometimes one is simply never enough
... and other times one is all you can deal with
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I have the latest chromium running on my 32bit linux just fine.
What is the building issue they speak of..?The chromium codebase will still function after 30+releases even though they do not tell you as such.
People need to get this thirst for constantly updating out of their cerrebelum.
The "up to date" version of vivaldi we have now will be "out of date" in a couple of weeks time so this hysteria of updating is nonsense in my opinion,.
I unfortunately could not get 32bit vivaldi to install and run on my system now as i have distrohopped to another distro.
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@vvduser Palemoon is a fork of an older gecko codebase, so the security concern may still exist; Basilisk is based on newer gecko code but still patched by a small devs community - so not officially endorsed with Mozilla - to retrieve the spirit of the classic firefox (full XUL extension support). Seamonkey is probably even heavier as it also have the mailer and still based (guess) on firefox quantum + thunderbird codebase.
I would miss too much an addon wich saves pages in 1 html file and lightens them too
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/onetab ?
browsers eats up memory and slows yet more everything, but more or less bearable for a few time.
Tweaking discard feature could help:
(for vivaldi/chromium)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/great discarder(for firefox)
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@eggcorn if that is the case then why is version 3.7 still available for download.?
With all due respect but your comment in regard to "catching a virus" with an older browser version is nonsense.
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@hadden89 said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
@vvduser Palemoon is a fork of an older gecko codebase, so the security concern may still exist; Basilisk is based on newer gecko code but still patched by a small devs community - so not officially endorsed with Mozilla - to retrieve the spirit of the classic firefox (full XUL extension support). Seamonkey is probably even heavier as it also have the mailer and still based (guess) on firefox quantum + thunderbird codebase.
My experience of SeaMonkey is that there is little difference in speed when compared to Firefox, Vivaldi or Chromium when running on a EEEPC 701 with 2 GB of RAM. Not much of a difference on a 901 with 2 GM of RAM. Relaxed but usable is the way I would describe browsing on such devices.
The one main advantage of SeaMonkey is that it comes with an email client, which, in my opinion has the best UI of all Linux email clients. Maybe with Evolution as a close second. The advantage of the email client being included in the SeaMonkey suite seems to be that once the browser is running the email client starts up more quickly and vice versa for the browser if the email client is already open. So if you are a user who closes and re-opens your applications often then SeaMonkey has a clear performance advantage.
Oh, and SeaMonkey has its tabs in the right place still.
The collapsible toolbars are also useful on small screen devices allowing you to keep say the navigation toolbar visible while maximising space for the content without going into full screen mode.As regards the idea of upgrading to a 64 bit computer I have struggled for a while now to find a 64 bit netbook with the same form factor as the first and second generation EEEPCs. Of the mini computers I have found most are way above the EUR 100 mark or are much smaller/bigger. My current attempt to find a replacement has taken me in the direction of a PinePhone with the soon to be released keyboard case. But that has a much smaller screen and keyboard and a distinctly less mature level of OS and application support.
In the meantime I have invested in a new battery for my EEEPC 901 to replace the original battery that started dying last year. It will keep me going until there are no x86 Linux/BSD distros to be found.
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I use puppy linux and it has a totally different philosophy to the mainstream distros.
It comes preinstalled with a ton of software in a relatively small package(300mb).
it is if you like a static operating system which receives no incremental updates running on a layered filesytem.(union/aufs.).
The secret weapon to puppy is the savefile,any downloaded rubbish or other unwanted stuff can be cleared upon reboot.
The only software which requires updating if you so wish is the browser although updating to every point release is in my opinion futile but of course it is the user's discretion if updates are applied.
It may be considered prudent to update and apparently "secure" you're browser but also server security must be attained also and it may surprise some to find that a large majority of sites are simply not secure.
I would be quite happy to use a so called out of date vivaldi although if the ciphers are still secure then i see no problem.
The mantra of puppy linux is if it isn't broken then why fix it.?
I have used puppy for a few years and i have never had a single security incident.I don't "need" a 64bit computer even though i have a dual-core processor as everything simply works as is.
Just my opinion of course,but this constant "i have to have the newest and shiny" does not apply to me or indeed many others.
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@priest72 New and shiny? Mainstream support for 64‐bit architecture in operating systems started some 15 years ago. I can understand users still wanting to stay on 32‐bit, but yeah, then you might have to use another browser instead of the “shiny” Vivaldi.
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@luetage I think you misunderstood my underlying message.
Again you have the "mainstream" mentality and i do not mean that in a disrespectful way.look at mint for example...nearly 2gb in size just for the download.!?..Seriously.!
Unfortunately the end user is simply not given a choice..Still a lot of people who wish to use a 32bit computer but sadly software developers seem to "know" better and just "assume" that 32bit users are non existent.
i am curious to know where the stats are to base this assumption on.
Now i have a 64bit puppy installed (fossapup) but the only "advantage" of that is a slightly more variation in which browser is available and besides that there is no ther advantage in using a 64bit version.
Security.?
Which security do they refer to.?
The chromium codebase per se apparently comes with multiple "security fixes" which may or may not apply to a lot of users.
I myself would be more concerned with network security as for example encryption when using financial sites although i have used older browsers for "some" sites and the encryption has been solid.Sometimes introducing a new guest to the party causes more chaos than it is worth..every update brings "new" code into the system.
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@guigirl
In none of my posts have i expounded an expression of passion in what is important to me.I am just exemplifying an instance where continually updating is simply not required.
just as a point of note browser code by it's very nature is perpetually insecure or countless fixes would not be necessary.
Not entirely certain how your rhetoric is helping the OP either but if you feel "passionate" about it then it is correct ..yes.?
Nothing sounds sweeter than one's own voice eh.?
Just out of interest,Could you please provide credible sources that show the current 32bit architecture usage as of now just to give your comment some clarity.
cheers.
