master password, where to hide it?

[ArthurKarimullin]

Good time of day, I wanted to enable syncing on the mobile version, but I'm asked for a master password, where to hide it?

[Trent]

The idea of the Master Password is to hide it in your mind, and that's it.
One suggestion, to make a strong password easy to remember, is to use a sentence than you remember very well.

For example, the Blue Fairy book “Prince Hyacinth and the dear little princess” from 1844 begin like that:

Once upon a time there lived a king who was deeply in love with a princess.

This is a sentence quite easy to remember, and even if you forget it you can remember where it come from and find it back, right? Now, it is very long for a password, you don't want to spend 30sec each time you want to type your password.

Let's make it simpler by taking only the 1st letter of each word: “Ouattlakwwdilwap”. The size is already much more acceptable to type it frequently, but it is not very secured because we only have letters.
Let's make it more secured by removing all "double letters" (for example “tt”) and replace it by “t2”. Then, we get: “Ouat2lakw2dilwap” even better, but still not perfect.
Now, let's replace A by @ and we get: Ou@t2l@kw2dilw@p. This is a quite good and very secured password! According to howsecureismypassword.net, it would take 37 billion years to a computer to “guess” it!

Of course, this password is difficult to remember, but the methodology to get it is much simpler. Instead of taking the first sentence of a old book, you can take one from a kitchen book from your home, or from a song you like; or from a dictionary word definition. And you can make your own rules.

Good luck!

[Pathduck]

@ArthurKarimullin Ideally you would have already set up Vivaldi on your desktop PC with Sync, and then you can for instance save the Sync password (along with all your other) in a manager like KeePassXC or similar on your PC.
https://keepassxc.org
https://pwsafe.org

You could then just type the master password into the device, and it would be safely stored there. You'd (hopefully) only need to do this one time.

There are also a lot of password managers for mobile devices. Search your app store for a trustworthy well-reviewed one with a lot of users and do some research.

Of course, you'd still need to remember the actual password to the password manager itself but at least you only need to remember one password and not several

[Trent]

@Pathduck said in master password, where to hide it?:

@ArthurKarimullin Ideally you would have already set up Vivaldi on your desktop PC with Sync, and then you can for instance save the master password (along with all your other) in a manager like KeePassXC or similar on your PC.
https://keepassxc.org
https://pwsafe.org

You store the main password of your password manager… Inside another password manager? And the main password of the 2nd password manager, you store it in a 3rd password manager? Where do the loop end? ^_^

Sorry, this message is a joke, but really for curiosity, you use multiple passwords managers in the same time and store their main passwords in each others?

[Pathduck]

@Trent What, of course not

I store the Vivaldi sync password in KeePass and I remember the password for the KeePass vault...

Of course I also store passwords in Vivaldi itself for convenience and sync these. KeePass is used as a backup of these passwords.