I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox 😇

Stardust

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

And here's using Console, but coming up empty [if i have done this check correctly]:

Try Firefox DevTools

jamesbeardmore

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

With respect, i feel i need to partially disagree with your quoted statements, albeit slightly pedantically -- you have characterised "privacy" to equate with "chattiness". I disagree with that. For me, "chattiness" is a subset of "privacy" ... an important subset clearly, but nonetheless a subset not the whole category.

I wholeheartedly agree with you - I just wasn't particularly clear in my wording. I was hinting at your extremely important distinction (I don't think it's pedantic at all, it's really important), when I mentioned the hypothetical situation of whether you feel safer with 5 connections to Mozilla or 2 to Goggle - and in fact that's one raeson why I was unsure whether I still stood by my original assertion.

If we assume that V and Moz are both trustworthy, and measure privacy simply as the inverse of something like (bytes sent to G/time) or (connection requests to G/time), this renders my initial mention of total overall "chattiness" less relevant and FF seems to be the winner from my very limited testing, consistent with what I understand to be both your view and Stardust's.

Of course thinking about it, the situation's so complex it makes my head want to explode... This all ignores other connections you might want/need (e.g. the anti-tracking blocklists, and whether you trust the various list producers). FF is also capable of a higher degree of protection against 3rd party tracking by the web sites you visit, which could be considered a much greater threat to our privacy than e.g. whether Mozilla knows I favour keyboard shortcuts as I haven't been able to find most simple browser options quickly since they switched the menu-bar to a "hamburger" style menu.

Stardust

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

@Stardust said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

Time to update! Thanks for the reminder!

Fwiw, read all the comments. The peeps are Not Happy with the new UI. I agree with them.

Yeah, I updated it yesterday.

Pros:

address bar selection not ugly anymore

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tabs in compact mode are okay (but only in compact mode)
all pinned sites on the "Start Page" now have favicons

Cons:

drop-down bookmark menu is not compact anymore, and now I have to scroll through all my bookmarks folders
compact mode is removed from the UI, very bad sign
add bookmark menu is ugly and glitches
default look is terrible
telemetry settings are enabled by default

I like how in Vivaldi I can disable tab close buttons but not in Firefox. This option was removed many years ago, first from the UI settings and then from about:config. I remember they were suggesting to use an addon (Why should I use a 3rd party addon from some untrusted developer?) And where is that addon now?
The option is gone forever!
Compact mode is the next to vanish...

Stardust

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

login to a Wayland session

Why don't you use Wayland?

Eggcorn

@Stardust To say that I "like Firefox" might be too strong a statement. But if Vivaldi were to disappear tomorrow, I might move onto Firefox. Firefox could fairly be called "Vivaldi lite". But seeing as I have Vivaldi, I almost never use Firefox.

Stardust

@Eggcorn said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

But if Vivaldi were to disappear tomorrow, I might move onto Firefox.

That's what I did when Opera [Presto] disappeared many years ago
Firefox is our only option :smiling_face_with_open_mouth:

npro

@guigirl Hah, thanks for the invite. How did this thread with this wonderful title escape me!? Thanks for the suggestions, I can see already familiar names and I'll keep it for reference.

P.S.1 I can see the thread is "juicy" as well
P.S.2 @guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

However, tonight, it instead caused me to solidify a nascent thought of a few weeks' consideration...
sudo pacman -Rns vivaldi vivaldi-ffmpeg-codecs

you did it???? :faints:

npro

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

Yeah but that was only Stable. Naturally Snapshot remains installed.

Bah psychological talk is so mean! I deleted it.

Catweazle

@guigirl , I use Lemmy, I don't like Reddit
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy

Catweazle

@guigirl , animation for what I gave you a like, and no, I don't disagree with you. It was a simple suggestion of a site, where you can find also contents of your interests and where you can take a look without to log in.
I am not a FOSS taliban (remember, I use Windoz and Vivaldi also isn't FOSS), but, if exist, I prefer OpenSource, if not, well, the best alternative in privacy and TOS.
See my Blog, you'll find good online apps, non of them OSS.
Please don't get me wrong.
By the way, I have an account on Reddit, I just don't like it very much.

Stardust

@guigirl said in I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox :

I promise you'll not be happy if you ignore this or slip-up.

newscpq

As long as you you'll say 10 Ave Maria and 10 Pater Noster, you won't go to hell...

npro

lol! OK, we 're doomed...

oh well it was nice while it lasted, I'm going to check again that list of text-browsers...

Catweazle

@npro , Lynx works fine

npro

@catweazle I'm more interested in those

https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/471193

nyxt in particular

Catweazle

@npro , Lynx enter in the same category, surf with shabby system

Catweazle

@gwen-dragon

npro

@gwen-dragon yeah or elinks

C'mon this is "I cheat on Vivaldi with Firefox" not "Heart of Gold" !!!

Pathduck

@guigirl Please report a bug, under Affected product choose Vivaldi.net website and services.

Please read:

carefully and report the bug to Vivaldi bugtracker

Pathduck

@guigirl Ah, about eleven, sir.