How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome
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@shadowxt said in How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome:
How many times did I mentioned that defeats the purpose of adding the new option.
No it doesn't!
It simply does not mean what you want it to mean!
BTW my name is not Jesus
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@TbGbe Lets move on from the subject. I have "Force Background" extension and it makes the program work the way it should. All the chrome flavors of the browsers are all the same core so the only differentiating part is the front end design. I think having a lot of options to control the interface allows people to customize. If Vivaldi didn't have the best tab customization, I would have used other browsers. It is the only one that comes close to the original Opera browser that is no longer supported. We actually have much better browsers a few years ago and the ones today are turds compared to those versions. The only issue that less and less web sites are supporting the older browsers forcing us to move to newer versions.
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@boruta: You mean the "Clear cookies and site data when you quit Vivaldi" and "Always clear cookies when windows are closed" options (and other options) you get when you goto
chrome://settings/cookies(even in Vivaldi)?I would guess that those haven't been added to the
vivaldi://settings/privacy/Cookies section because Vivaldi hasn't gotten around to it yet or they feel that those settings are advanced settings where it's assumed that advanced users will figure out that they're atchrome://settings/cookies. -
@shadowxt said:
I mentioned before that I'm on stable version and that is where its still broken. I know they may have fixed on the snapshots, but I avoid snapshots like the plague due to continuous bugs. All I ask for is a stable browser. I like the versions they had about three releases ago, but made the mistake of updating because of a new feature and I have regretted since. I can't even uninstall and install the older versions since it breaks the browser. I'm stuck with a version that works, but still has annoying bugs. They just had an update of the stable release about a day ago and the features are still broken.
I've just tested on a stable version. Opening in the background works as it should. Are you sure that you haven't changed some setting that changes this behaviour.
I can confirm the second issue. Closing tab while watching YT in full screen, closes the tab, but doesn't exit full screen. That is not what happens in the latest snapshot, seems is already fixes and should be included in the next stable.
On the other hand, when in fullscreen, why closing tab should exit fullscreen? I know that in this case it is wanted, but in general it is not the expected scenario.
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I'm using Firefox since I first used internet.. Now I'm thinking about switching, and I still kinda hesitate to use chromium browser.. I don't like google, and I like some Firefox only extensions.
Should I chose Vivaldi instead of blue moon or icecat?
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@solidsnake I just found an other bug and had to install the 3.5.2115.73 version now. For some reason, it randomly doesn't allow me to save an image as jpg. It goes through the whole routine like its saving it, but the file is not saved. I've seen that come up a few times and haven't pinpoint what exact steps does it. Either way, I got fed up and uninstall the latest and put in 3.5.2115.73 and it works perfect now. Vivaldi drives me nuts when it comes to fundamental bugs from one version to the next. Once I get a stable version that works fine, I never want to update again.
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@ratisin said in How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome:
Should I chose Vivaldi instead of blue moon or icecat?
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@shadowxt: No, I do watch in full screen, but not closing tab while in full screen. As @solidsnake said, it's not wanted behavior when you using browser in full screen mode, to exit full screen mode when you close a tab. But in your case it is wanted. But as I said, I don't use it that way. I first exit full screen on youtube, then close tab.
But it seems it's fixed now, so wait for next stable release, if you don't want to use snapshot. But I recommend you to use snapshot in standalone mode, especially while snapshots are in RC phase. So you can test if there are any regressions, and report them before they go to stable release.
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@senja It was broken in 3.5.2115.70, 3.5.2115.73, 3.5.2115.81, and 3.5.2115.87. I'm not going to hold my breath that it would be fixed on the next release.
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@shadowxt It is already fixed in 3.6. It is unlikely not to be fixed in 3.6 Stable.
Meanwhile, try GestureLeft = History Back from a fullscreen video to return to the YouTube index page. This exits the fullscreen video without remaining in Vivaldi's fullscreen mode.
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@shadowxt said in How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome:
It just seems logical that if you label a option as "New Tab from Link Opens in Background" that it opens in the background and not foreground. Am I missing something here?
This new option works only for links contextual menu !
If you want to open links in background without using this contextual menu option, you have to CTRL+click or middle click if you can, or use a mouse gesture (by default, hold right button then move link down and up).
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@ra-mon It seems a bit silly to only do it on the context menu. There should be an option to change the left mouse behavior also. I believe the tab mix plus had option to open all EXTERNAL links as background tab. The key word is "EXTERNAL". If you are on a web page and there are links on the same page, it opens in the same tab. When there is an external link, it would then open it up in a new tab.
You would think there should ALWAYS be a context menu that states "Open Link in New Background Tab" without this new confusing option. The button does not mention its for context menu only.
I still have "Force Background" extension to make it work the way I need it so I'm not bothered. It would really be great to have Vivaldi adapt most of the options that Tab Mix Plus provides for older generation of browsers. I think there would be a lot more people using it if they were able to customize as much TMP allowed. I'm sure there are many people who switched from Firefox who still miss that feature and if they found a chrome base system that allow the same customization, it would be a no brainer.
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@shadowxt: You clearly don't understand how updates work... Stable gets only minor security updates. It's obvious just by version number. Snapshot versions are 3.6 already, so that fix will came only with next big stable update to version 3.6.
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@senja Its probably a few lines of code the fix the buggy software, but adding little 1980's game is better use of the developer's time.
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@shadowxt , Vivaldia is not the work of the Vivaldi developers, but that of a friendly company, specialized in games of this type.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldia-more-than-a-browser-game/ -
@shadowxt said in How Vivaldi browser is different from Google Chrome:
It seems a bit silly to only do it on the context menu.
It's not silly, it was a feature request to mimic Firefox/Chrome default behavior
There should be an option to change the left mouse behavior also.
Just vote for this feature, if exists on the related forum topics, or create a new one, then... wait
, see https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/request-a-new-feature-in-vivaldi/ -
@stardepp: would be nice if vivaldi had a setting to automatically do this if vivaldi is using more than x resources. (x being a slider). Or if cpu reaches y% for z seconds? Something like that... Maybe an option to notify the user if it's invoked as well. Being such a great browser I find myself loading it down as i get lazy and it hangs or crashes... Not vivaldi's fault btw. I wouldn't dare push another browser so far because they become unmanageable.
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@kimmoj: I have to agree here. Multi-monitor setups in the workspace are becoming more common at a rapid pace. I and a few people I know use mouse without borders on multiple machines. While support for better usage on MWB probably doesn't make sense, no reason not to improve the dual display capability.
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I forgot to say Chrome has a sort of Tab Group stuff, but it's still experimental since mid 2020, but if you're curious, you can find them in flags, just type "tab groups". When enabled, it allows to create a bropu, rename, close, and branded with some colour. Clicking on the group name make it collapse, and that's all.
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Ah, Vivaldi, the browser that is what Opera could have, and should have been!
Just as a little note - I love how it's one of the most feature-rich browsers out there, yet if I'm on my 32-bit Atom-powered netbook with 2GB RAM, Vivaldi is the browser I reach for as it's the most lightweight!
It's a shame that Blink/Webkit is becoming the "de facto web-standard". It should be an implementation of a standard, not the creator of it. This concerns me, as we already have a virtual browser monoculture (or at least rendering-engine monoculture), which can't be good for security, and also diverts yet more control of the web over to one single entity with only its own interests at heart.
I know Vivaldi will never change rendering-engine and I appreciate that it was the only sensible choice at the time, but out of curiosity I often still wonder how much work it would be to add support for later web standards to an existing engine like Presto or KHTML (in fact, I think the Konqueror project are still doing this with KHTML).
A single corporation already has too much control over the web (i.e. Google), and I do fear that they could use that power to create yet more de facto standards for the web, that further increase dependence on their proprietary "services" - or extend Chromium with proprietary features, that subsequently end up being necessary for the web to work. All that would be required is to extend Chromium's web engine with an "optional" closed-source extension, providing some new functionality. Due to their extensive market-share, there would be just a short wait for lots of web sites/businesses to blindly and unwittingly start using it - and then the web is inaccessible to anyone who doesn't use proprietary Google services/software... i.e. employ Microsoft's old "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy. To some extent, they already do this, but possibly not as severely or overtly.
