Panel to show certain mail like messenger conversations (aka Spike email / Delta Chat)

WildEnte

Folks are moving away from mail to messaging apps because of convenience - no dealing with from/to/subjects or writing 'hello' and 'best regards'. Opera M2 already had the "Quick reply" option that has been requested here https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/54982/quick-reply

Delta Chat and Spike Email display emails like messengers do but use email as the protocol. It's really just another way to display email threads. I like the concept but certainly not for all my email - I think they take it too far by going all in on the messenger concept. (this sub 10 min video is a nice summary of spike mail)

But I think that Vivaldi with its panels could "just add" a panel that uses the email infrastructure but displays messages sent from that panel like messengers do. Vivaldi is about giving choices right?

Some thoughts

separate "chat mail" panel (with better name) for clear distinction of user interfaces and always having the choice to send an email the regular way or like a messenger chat item
Chat mail panel would be separated in a contacts view left, sorted by last time of correspondence
Possibility to add chat groups (using cc...)
Add some "this is a chat email" info to the header to allow immediate filtering by any Vivaldi (or other) mail client
Add a configurable default "Hi" and "Bye, name" that is added to such mails so they appear just like normal mails in other mail clients
Hide these "Chat Mails" in the standard mail panel by default (triggered with a filter icon like for RSS, Spam, Trash)
In combo with PGP, message ids, read receipts, push imap etc. that are implemented in Vivaldi Mail anyway, I think this different way of displaying mails is not too far off

iAN CooG

@WildEnte said in Panel to show certain mail like messenger conversations (aka Spike email / Delta Chat):

Folks are moving away from mail to messaging apps because of convenience - no dealing with from/to/subjects or writing 'hello' and 'best regards'.

Not anytime soon, you probably just chat with friends in a colloquial way but business still needs properly written emails. Good manners also are hopefully never going out of fashion.

WildEnte

@iAN-CooG it always depends on who the recipient is. MS Teams, Slack, Mattermost, Sametime ... chat-like communication is rather normal these days in business settings, at least the industries I know. As I said above - I believe Spike is going too all in on the concept. As a separate panel in Vivaldi I think this can easily work.

code3

Maybe detect whether a mail is a conversation or more formal?

WildEnte

@code3 don't think that is necessary, the other person doesn't know how I am looking at the email.

code3

@WildEnte No - I mean formal emails should probably not display in a conversation panel, especially if the panel is meant to resemble text messages

WildEnte

@code3 I get that but wonder why I shouldn't be the one to choose how I want to display which mail. My computer programs should give me choices as to how I want to handle stuff but avoid trying to act intelligent, because they are usually not.

code3

@WildEnte You can chose! But personally, I would want formal emails as well as HTML mailing lists removed from my conversations panel, and I think Vivaldi is capable of doing that. It can separate short emails with replies from more formal/formatted emails. However, there should be an option to remove the auto detection and categorize emails yourself.

code3

@WildEnte Actually, maybe it would be better to pick out the chat emails myself. Vivaldi could do a chat panel without auto-detection, and then see if auto-detection would be good/worth it later.

code3

Delta Chat is open-source and written with web technologies, so Vivaldi could reuse the code.

studentsx

I think it should also work with pop3 accounts and mbox/maildir format.

LonM

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