Address bar and tab fixes, better DRM support, plus the start of the Mail, Calendar and RSS Technical Previews – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2115.4
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@killchain: this function will be there which means, developers will focus on it and will have less time to improve browser itself (which is great nowdays, but Opera was also great in their times).
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@nocturneop15 said in Address bar and tab fixes, better DRM support, plus the start of the Mail, Calendar and RSS Technical Previews – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2115.4:
@killchain: this function will be there which means, developers will focus on it and will have less time to improve browser itself (which is great nowdays, but Opera was also great in their times).
@nocturneop15 , I am glad you think Vivaldi is great.
I would like to hear what you like about Vivaldi. I would not be surprised if those are things we are continuing to work on. Vivaldi is about choice and flexibility. We aim to keep it that way.
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@jon: I percieve Vivaldi as successor of Opera 12 browser. Focused on browsing, filled cherry picked and well polished functions - rather less greatly finished functions than ton of new and debatable on the question of usefulness.
I do not feel adding mail client as a good move from multiple reasons:
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I afraid it will break your dev capacities and browser development will slow down or stale.
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Even if you keep up with future standards, adding such complex function as mail client is into "core" set will bring issues and troubles in the future - changing compiler, code base, maybe more. The more complexity, the more problems may appear.
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Even if you beat my previous afraids, you will hardly compete with email client leaders. If you create separate product, it may break the market much easier and become successfull and sustanable. But integratd to a browser?
I will now become a bit arrogant and try to talk on behalf of some others, I hope it doesn't affect anyone, but multi-purpose tools are not very popular among IT and security admins. They are hard to control, hard to switch/change and any bug can have much more serious impacts than bug in single-purpose software.
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@nocturneop15 , so I understand you liked Opera 12. That is nice. Opera 12 was the last Opera browser I had any influence on. Opera 12 also had a built in mail client.
We have been working on the mail client since the beginning. The fact that we have it out now does not mean that it needs more resources. Likely we will keep the same amount of resources there.
At Opera we followed the principle of making a browser rich in features and in flexibility. That allowed us to grow to 350 million active users. After I left, the focus changed and the growth stopped, after a bit of time.
What I am trying to say is that we have the capability to build a feature rich browser, that adapts to those that want a simple browser and those that want a feature rich browser. I have yet to meet someone that wants a simple browser, where Vivaldi is not able to deliver on that as well, with some tweaking.
I believe there is a reason why you are here in the first place. I hope you will stay and we will do our best to provide for your needs as well.
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I percieve Vivaldi as successor of Opera 12 browser. Focused on browsing, filled cherry picked and well polished functions - rather less greatly finished functions than ton of new and debatable on the question of usefulness.
I cannot follow. A mail client (including RSS and newsgroups), basic sync functionality, an IRC client with some nice treats, a BitTorrent client, contact management, notes, support extensions and so on are all included in Opera Presto, and if you go back to 10 (?) you may also have a web server and some other features. How is vivaldi not exactly stepping in this path by adding a mail client? Yes, there was no calendar before, but I feel that M2 has always been a huge part of Opera. How can you praise O12 and question its features at the same time?
I afraid it will break your dev capacities and browser development will slow down or stale.
I can't give you a definite answer here, but I think that there has been a part of the team focussing on M3 for some time now.
Even if you keep up with future standards, adding such complex function as mail client is into "core" set will bring issues and troubles in the future - changing compiler, code base, maybe more. The more complexity, the more problems may appear.
I agree, especially with not having the full control over the direction chromium takes, implementing M3 will most likely come at a price in case the architecture changes.
Even if you beat my previous afraids, you will hardly compete with email client leaders. If you create separate product, it may break the market much easier and become successfull and sustanable. But integratd to a browser?
A lot of us really like it in their browser. Those who do not will certainly be able to deactivate M3.
I would think that it should also be possible to provide M3 as a lone standing application if the demand for this should exists (and I can see that some people would prefer it this way).multi-purpose tools are not very popular among IT and security admins. They are hard to control, hard to switch/change and any bug can have much more serious impacts than bug in single-purpose software.
Well. Same as before, nobody forces you to use all the features available.
I cannot say that I do not share any concerns on potential issues on security, but I think that the team knows what they are doing, how they store passwords, how they do the encryption and so forth. At least for now, I do not have reason to not trust them.
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@jon: hope I'm mistaken in my afraids and you are true and vivaldi team will handle it - I wish you so.
Nevertheless, I will feel this step like if someone implements hairdryer into refrigerator - it could work, but they does not have anything in common. Like browser and mail client - nothing in common, completely different discipline.
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@jumpsq said:
I cannot follow. A mail client (including RSS and newsgroups), basic sync functionality, an IRC client with some nice treats, a BitTorrent client, contact management, notes, support extensions and so on are all included in Opera Presto, and if you go back to 10 (?) you may also have a web server and some other features. How is vivaldi not exactly stepping in this path by adding a mail client? Yes, there was no calendar before, but I feel that M2 has always been a huge part of Opera. How can you praise O12 and question its features at the same time?
Hmm. You are true, my memory is tricking me. They were all there. But they were poor, clumsy, that's why I did not use them. What I remember was fast browser, great compatibility, awesome favourites manager and totally great management of shortcuts (and my beloved left-right mousebutton combos as forward/back). That were the times of Firefox and its plugins. The best of Opera was - I never needed any of them just for comfortable browsing, it provided great out of the box experience.
Well. Same as before, nobody forces you to use all the features available.
Not true. When I have to judge software security concerns before allowing users to use it, I must also think about possible abuse cases. The more funcions, the more you have to think about. I like things simple and straight, thus secure.
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@nocturneop15 , Thank you for your best wishes.
What we are doing now is what we used to do at Opera. You liked what we built then and you are liking what we build now. Just maybe you will find out that you actually like M3 and the other features we have built in. If not, you do not need to use them. We will continue to focus on the browser as before. Nothing will change there. If anything, the more users we get will help invest more in the browser as well.
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I'm not a fan of the mail bar taking over the address bar. Removing everything on the Urlbar while viewing mail makes it feel like 2 different applications since I can't interact with web searches, extensions, etc.
If you have vertical tabs on the same side as the side panel, the layout is rather awkward looking
You can also count me as one of the ones who could only get mail to show in the side panel with a new profile
On the bright side, it seems to be working well
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@hadden89: Hmmm. Is 16 items the key? That's the number I have now. Before I had several more visible, and if I deleted one an older would appear at the bottom, i.e. there was a larger, hidden list of which the first x number were visible at a time. The visible part of the list was long enough to be scrollable. With 16, the list is fully visible without scrolling.
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@sjudenim , there is a point to all of this. I guess it is a question of getting used to it a bit. Change is always hard. If you try it for a while and do not like it, then you do not need to use it. If there are things you want changed, we can add settings.
CEO & Co-founder Vivaldi
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@nocturneop15 said in Address bar and tab fixes, better DRM support, plus the start of the Mail, Calendar and RSS Technical Previews – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2115.4:
Packing browser with random stuff never was...
...a fact. Instead, it is FUD.
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The thing is that I want to use it though.
Many mods have been made to streamline the interface which usually means unifying functions to a single bar. Having those functions all accessible within a single bar really improves workflow (for me at least). This implementation goes against that philosophy and requires jumping back and forth between tabs. That's why I'd much rather have the mail toolbar positioned in the mail view like the navigation bar is inside the speed dial. That way we can still have accessibility to most browser functions within a single view/tab/window.
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Here's how my typed-URL drop-down used to look: https://www.wpcoe.com/images/old-vivaldi.gif (In Dark Mode hard to see, but there is a vertical scroll bar for the drop-down list.)
Here's how my typed-URL drop-down looks now: https://www.wpcoe.com/images/new-vivaldi.gif (With this "new & improved" drop-down list, if I delete an entry, it simply reduces the number of items displayed. With the old version, if I deleted an entry, an additional one from the undisplayed bottom part of the list would become visible.)
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@sjudenim , I do understand. Again, we will gather feedback and we will try to provide flexibility to the extent possible. In the meantime I would recommend you to try things like they are. You may well find that it works out nicely.
In any case : We aim to give as much flexibility on every part of Vivaldi as we can.
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The sync status icon has disappeared from the bottom left corner of the browser.
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@jon: I would add a category: "Notification Emails" that are personally sent to me, but are automated, thus, usually of no importance (e.g. "you appear to be logged from another device", "someone answered to your post in facebook", "your github pull request was trashed and caused illness to the development team", "your password has been changed by you, but if it's not you, tell us", ...).
They are hundreds, personal messages, of no importance. Wouldn't you add a filter on those?
1bis. Notification e-mails
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...the additional category is needed, because those notifications may be meaningful and, very rarely, very important: if they were put into the mass mailings, or in the spam, they would be lost forever, while they have some importance, or a very high importance, very rarely, but ususally are just a waste of pixels on the screen.
So, I'd really add that fourth category: it's not spam, it may be important
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[BUG?] URL SHARING icon is missing, into the address bar
I can't see the QR code icon into the address bar, anymore, since I upgraded to this new version...
I had dark theme in private mode, now I changed it, to a new theme, but the icon is missing...
Any clues?
Thank you,
newscpq
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@newscpq Now is an opt-in feature. You can bring it back enabling in urlbar settings.
(you won't find it with searchbox, known issue).
(bigger qr box also could be consider a known issue).
