Any word on M3? (internal mail client)
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@npro said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Well now that we talk about the RSS feeder as well, will it support .rdf too like for example of this well-known site? https://www.bluesnews.com/ AFAIK not many RSS feeders support the format, or IIRC that of a known competitor.
@npro , we will evaluate the demand moving forward.
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@npro Opera 12/M2 did, so that'd be great.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
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@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
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@mtaki14 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
I expect import to be ready before any final release. The TP, however, will likely not have import as yet. You can still play with M3 and the TP is for playing, although I recognize some users will make it their default, just like I have.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@mtaki14 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
I expect import to be ready before any final release. The TP, however, will likely not have import as yet. You can still play with M3 and the TP is for playing, although I recognize some users will make it their default, just like I have.
I don't think i'm going to be able to resist.
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@Folgore101 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
I don't think i'm going to be able to resist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEaR1JU-ps :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes:
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Yeah, that's a big "yikes" from me. I haven't been using m2 for five years, but I've been using it exclusively on my windows laptop for the past 18 months or so.
I mean, having to open a separate program to view past e-mails isn't catastrophic or anything. But it is really, really (really) annoying...
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Oh, okay.
Sorry, I should read the thread through before my "really annoying" comment. It's just the entire hook for me (and I suspect for others too) will be the ability to not have to swap programs (and it seems not leaving the browser is why many people put up with the irritating aspects of webmail). So the prospect of having to swap programs to view older e-mails was especially irksome to me.Anyway, thank you for seeing this through. If it's pedigree is any indication, I'm sure it will be a great client, and will make Vivaldi more attractive than it already is to a good number of users.
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@jdvernet said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
I mean, having to open a separate program to view past e-mails isn't catastrophic or anything. But it is really, really (really) annoying
I really don't see why it should be annoying for some, I always used a "separate program" for managing mails and newsgroups: Outlook Express, Forte Agent, now Thunderbird since years. I don't get what's the matter with people absolutely wanting mail integrated in a browser. I don't even look at my gmail account from the browser, as it's easier and faster from Thunderbird.
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@iAN-CooG This is not a general truth, but M2 is just the superiour client to all those that you have mentioned (at least for me). I want a successor with the features of M2 and with added GPG and possibly S/Mime support, with even more and more improved features. That's why I am eager to try M3, because I expect it to be a decent software with decent functionality.
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@iAN-CooG The main reason I started using Opera 5.0 was for its email client. I still use it in Opera 12.18. Old emails are not urgent for me.
After we get M3 in Vivaldi I can use it as my default email client (I have never used any other client like Thundbird). If I need to see my old emails, I will have to boot up Opera 12.18, but that would be maybe once a week or once a month, not every time I start my PC.
The only other reason I use Opera is to edit local HTML files using. If we get Option to use External Editor as Source Viewer and mail import, I can finally stop launching Opera 12.18.
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@iAN-CooG The seamless integration that comes with being able to e.g. open links in the background, add excerpts to Vivaldi notes, drag and drop links to your bookmarks bar etc all while still being in the comfort of your own browser is a pretty underrated convenience. It's hard to go back to anything else once you get used to this workflow.
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To quote myself from earlier in this thread
I used to be a pretty staunch "web browser is for browsing the web. E-mail client is for receiving, composing, and organizing e-mails. And never the tween shall meet" type of person. But, that was then... Nowadays, since both are open constantly on 99% of computers, I say combine them. I doesn't add much size, and it really doesn't add any upkeep because once smoothed out it's pretty much locked as e-mail really doesn't change. Most people want their e-mail clients to be browsers anyway, since they're absolutely insistent on sending html mail.
Other than that, I can only second what others have already replied. For windows, m2 (opera mail) is king. Never liked Outlook, and Thunderbird has gone way downhill due to Mozilla not really caring about it anymore. The only reason I don't use m2 on mac is because I use Mailsmith which basically gives you BBedit for free. Once M3 comes out, and if it's good, Mailsmith will be relegated to just that, text editing (support for Mailsmith has ended and the dev has urged users to move on).
In addition (and also as mentioned), an 'all in one' workflow is very attractive.
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@jdvernet said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Oh, okay.
Sorry, I should read the thread through before my "really annoying" comment. It's just the entire hook for me (and I suspect for others too) will be the ability to not have to swap programs (and it seems not leaving the browser is why many people put up with the irritating aspects of webmail). So the prospect of having to swap programs to view older e-mails was especially irksome to me.Anyway, thank you for seeing this through. If it's pedigree is any indication, I'm sure it will be a great client, and will make Vivaldi more attractive than it already is to a good number of users.
Do not worry. We will add import as well. Just a question of allowing you to play with M3 before import is ready. If you like M2, you are going to love M3.
Cheers,
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@jumpsq said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@iAN-CooG This is not a general truth, but M2 is just the superiour client to all those that you have mentioned (at least for me). I want a successor with the features of M2 and with added GPG and possibly S/Mime support, with even more and more improved features. That's why I am eager to try M3, because I expect it to be a decent software with decent functionality.
One of the reason that we felt the need to make M3 is just that the other mail clients did not have the functionality that we needed. M3 does have most everything I need already and the goal is to add any things that you guys will find wanting. We also have our preferences and the goal is for M3 to satisfy all those needs with a flexible UI, just like the browser.
Cheers,
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@jon Though i used [& loved] Opera 9 - 12, i never used M2, somehow i ignorantly failed to even know of it [dunno in hindsight how i was so monumentally blind]. Reading over the past five years the numerous references to M2 i now feel a real pang of loss, ha, & with all this talk of M3 a real sense of keen anticipation.
For my user-case though, M3 could only become a real daily tool for me, as opposed to a novel plaything, if it allows me to ditch Thunderbird+Lightning by:
- Importing my decades of TB mail & accounts [POP3].
- Having a Calendaring & Tasks Management capability at least on par with Lightning but hopefully [much] better.
- Importing my decades of Lightning Calendar & Tasks data.
I'm a pessimist [about everything], so i expect to be disappointed. However the great thing about pessimism is that one is either proven frequently correct, or otherwise gifted with lovely surprises.
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@Steffie said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon Though i used [& loved] Opera 9 - 12, i never used M2, somehow i ignorantly failed to even know of it [dunno in hindsight how i was so monumentally blind]. Reading over the past five years the numerous references to M2 i now feel a real pang of loss, ha, & with all this talk of M3 a real sense of keen anticipation.
For my user-case though, M3 could only become a real daily tool for me, as opposed to a novel plaything, if it allows me to ditch Thunderbird+Lightning by:
- Importing my decades of TB mail & accounts [POP3].
- Having a Calendaring & Tasks Management capability at least on par with Lightning but hopefully [much] better.
- Importing my decades of Lightning Calendar & Tasks data.
I'm a pessimist [about everything], so i expect to be disappointed. However the great thing about pessimism is that one is either proven frequently correct, or otherwise gifted with lovely surprises.
@Steffie , for me a really good mail client is a must. M2 was that, but it also had its weaknesses. It had no calendar. With M3 we have tried to take things a step further. We are still at an early stage and as mentioned before, the first TP release will not have import. We will, however, add import and we will add whatever else you may find wanting.
For me Thunderbird never did it. It was not just a question of being built in, but it was also a question of what functionality mattered to me. You will see that when you get to play with M3. I hope you will love it as much as I do.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
we will add whatever else you may find wanting
For a moment i allowed myself a frisson of excitement, choosing to interpret this as a
Yes
to my list above. Thereafter, my usual pessimism took over again. I truly look forward to being proven wrong, teehee.Btw, i really appreciate your active community involvement here; it is so nice that we have it.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
We will add import as well. Just a question of allowing you to play with M3 before import is ready. If you like M2, you are going to love M3.
Thanks Jon!
I'm also waiting M3 (and using M2 standalone).
I'd expect that with import ready more people will be able to test some real life usage scenarios.
Search (my work outlook is painfully slow on search), how labels work for many messages, how fast everything in the program (if it is slow on large DB some DB changes might be required), how DB maintenance works, etc.
Not sure if "blank" DB is really useful for testing.