Can't login to any google services
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@hari-cu I believe this was for account syncing, you can remove the access and Vivaldi does not ask for it back. Also Chrome is shown on that page, just as a Google app with access, not a third-party app.
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@standpipe Interestingly, My Vivaldi was only granted full access to my Google account TWO DAYS AGO (without any intervention from me), while the Vivaldi mail client shows as having been granted access in March of 2017. Whut?
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@ayespy
I myself do not remember granting this access myself. Something happened automatic by itself? But why not other browsers listed such as Opera, Firefox or Brave which I use?
Its good to see whether all those reporting issues with GMail or google access has this list as Vivaldi singled out.
Meantime I will try what happens if I deny that access and then check.
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@hari-cu Good question.
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@hari-cu If you remove access and then sign in, it shows full access for Vivaldi again.
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@ayespy Again, Chrome is listed on that page if you use it just like Vivaldi, except it's not under 3rd party apps as it's not one. And my Chrome entry says it was given access yesterday night, so it's most likely listing the last time it used access.
If this was somehow the cause we wouldn't be able to log in in Incognito mode as the process looks the same to Google.
EDIT: Actually this might be the issue as it appears that Vivaldi accesses this during normal browsing but not during Incognito browsing.
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@ayespy Not if you log in under Incognito on my system. So the question is what is Vivaldi doing with that access and is that where the bug is?
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I found a fix!
Open Vivaldi://flags and change "Identity consistency between browser and cookie jar" to "Enabled Dice (fix auth errors)"
This lets you log in and does not restore Vivaldi to the "Third-party apps with account access" page in your google account settings.
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@standpipe You're awesome dude. Nice find!
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@standpipe AH! That is a setting that only works in Chrome! (It's what lets Chrome 69 log you in to Google and vacuum up your data, without your knowledge or consent.) I wonder how that has ANY other status than "disabled" in Vivaldi? And I wonder what the "default" setting for it is? (I have found that some Vivaldi installs have different "default" settings for some security entries, somehow).
Here is a relevant Chromium bug: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=860471
And the status of that bug is: "WontFix."
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@standpipe And Vivaldi does not have the Chrome code that makes Identity Consistency work as spyware. Hence, if it tries to log you in with DICE, it won't work.
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@ayespy Tried every option in that entry and only the fix auth errors one works, not sure what the default was.
@standpipe And Vivaldi does not have the Chrome code that makes Identity Consistency work as spyware. Hence, if it tries to log you in with DICE, it won't work.
I can't log in unless I set it to "Enabled DICE (fix auth errors)" so I'm not sure what you mean.
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@standpipe Exactly. I Hate, hate, hate, hate the "default" notation in flags that conceals from you what the default setting is.
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@standpipe Tell me: Do you have Google set as your default search engine?
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@ayespy It was Bing, the default.
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@standpipe I read something somewhere that one of the things Identity Consistency is interested in is your search results. I use Google, and my other version I tested used Qwant (which shares search history with google) so I wondered if Google not being the default search engine might get in the way of Identity Consistency and block your log in. I really don't know. I just saw the connection.
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@ayespy Just tried it after resetting the flag to default and setting Google to the default search and private search, no joy.
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@standpipe K. It's a mystery what's triggering it. I have run it up the flagpole to the developers. So far, no one can replicate it. But with this other data we have collected they might know the reason right off the top of their heads. Won't know until tomorrow.
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@standpipe Got some feedback from the developers. This appears to be related to a family of bugs they are working on related to the new Chromium "feature" of automatically logging you in to your Google ACCOUNT as a whole (without telling you) any time you log in to GMail or similar, and tracking your data.
In Vivaldi, this section of code does not work, but more work has to be done to make everything else work, just as though we were a "non-Google" browser, when logging in to Google services in the way Firefox or Edge would do. The effect of the bug is very hit or miss and for some reason, the vast majority of copies of Vivaldi work (except for being unable to delete Google log-in cookies) in spite of Google's shenanigans.
So what has done it, is the Chromium 69 engine underneath a browser (Vivaldi) that does not use Google's account infrastructure. Good news is, the devs are on it.
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Aahaa..
I use chrome as backup. I do not like this new feature-which is, my account which I use to sync bookmarks is always on. That is why I like other browsers such as Vivaldi and Brave chromium (sync yet to be implemented).
By the way what does Vivaldi do differently to log in to GMail between regular and incognito window?
Thanks for all the feedback.
I am yet to try the new flag change which is suggested here. Will update soon.
