Solved User Agent Spoofing
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I support the addition of a user agent switcher, because many websites work correctly only after presenting the browser as Chrome, while writing for support does not give answers, examples of such sites are Canva.com or the Polish bank T-mobile.
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This is necessary still.
+1@carson911 Chrome the new "IE".
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Your description with screen clip is an excellent description of the request.
I would like to add one minor which would make it even better, but isn't as critical:
Make the change site or domain dependent so that it would only be made for the specific instances where it might help. I run into a problem now and then where a page won't load but suggest that Opera will work.
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@joehunter I think it would fit nicely as a "Site Setting":
Then it could be set in either for everything as a default, or by clicking the site settings box on individual pages.
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@lonm this would lead to (potentially) different user agents for main sites and 3rd party resources.
There will be clashes on browser sniffing done by the main site and the outsourced JS on a different domain (CDN).
Until session context management is a thing in Vivaldi, a tab-(or window-) specific setting is likely the way to go. -
I find it outrageous to have to use a UA in different websites, which discriminate against a user for not using a specific browser. It should be banned.
This is an intolerable disregard to users.
If access to a website is prevented, for real technical reasons and not by using a browser that does not appear in a list of the 4 main ones -
@lonm OK.....you obviously know more about the settings stuff than I do. That makes it sound even easier.
But then again what do I remember about programming in anything other than REXX.
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What is the browser.js equivalent for Vivaldi? It would be nice to take a look at it once in a while to see what's been added.
And what hasn't been, for some reason.
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@catweazle Correct. Please do not change the browser. The sites should be changed.
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@too_many_browsers said in User Agent Spoofing:
@catweazle Correct. Please do not change the browser. The sites should be changed.
Yes, I will go back to IE to enter the pages, I'm sure that if LOL
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@catweazle R.D. Laing said:
Do not adjust your mind, the fault is in reality.
Anyone who publishes and maintains a website gets to decide the conditions for using it. Anyone hosting a forum gets to decide the forum rules. If anyone does not accept the rules they are free to go elsewhere. You may not like the reality, but you cannot change it, so it wiser to adjust your mind to accept reality as it is.
An Open With context menu is all that is needed for these stubborn sites that do not accept Vivaldi:
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I know that the reality is this and a webmaster can put the conditions to enter his page, but to limit it by using a certain browser is as absurd as limit a parking or streets in a city to certain brands of cars.
Yes, a webmaster has this right, but the user also has the right to remember his parents -
@catweazle Only EVs and low emission vehicles can enter Central London free of charge. Only disabled drivers can use the parking bays nearest to the store's entrance. Only buses, Black Cabs and cycles permitted in Oxford Street, etc.
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@pesala said in User Agent Spoofing:
@catweazle Only EVs and low emission vehicles can enter Central London free of charge. Only disabled drivers can use the parking bays nearest to the store's entrance. Only buses, Black Cabs and cycles permitted in Oxford Street, etc.
I do not mean this, it is clear that the cities restrict the use of polluting vehicles, I mean that they impede your passage if you do not use a Mercedes or a BMW, even if your car pollutes much less.
A just limitation would be, as some websites do, to put a warning, that the page is optimized for a determined browser and that therefore there may be problems with which you use (or not), but not, as it has happened to me that not even I can edit my own page in the new Google Sites design, if I do not use Chrome, Firefox or Opera, I will not be able to access the editor in MY page with Vivaldi and it forces me to use the UA to do it. This is absurd and I feel it almost with a personal contempt and insult. -
@becm said in User Agent Spoofing:
a tab-(or window-) specific setting is likely the way to go.
Does this mean one will need to set the user agent manually every time of opening it (in a different/new tab)?
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It has been suggested here: instead of forging a different user-agent string, just go to the affected website and tell them to stop doing such a stupid thing.
For everybody (like me) who wants to use Microsoft Teams on Vivaldi but gets hit by the "Unsupported browser" dead-end, please go to https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/suggestions/16941811-relax-browser-support-check and leave a vote and a (friendly) lament (developers are more likely to take that seriously than the one subject who screamed "fix this you f*** idi***s" in all-caps in that thread).
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@zhangdl the transient by tab strategy is essentially what developer tools already do.
So this approach should at least only break pages in already known ways and only needs a fast-access UI.To not cause problems, site-specific setting would have to be consistently applied for all resources (except inline frames).
This strategy would need upstream Chromium integration, to ever be maintainable.
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If the site affected is a bank site, they will totally ignore any user feedback as all banks ever. I remember banks requiring IE browser and any user complaints about it were ignored. It took many years to change. Please do not tell me to change my bank, because every bank in my country works the same in user feedback terms. "It doesn't work on X browser? Well, use a supported browser, you silly user".
Do you think a company who hires so incompetent programmers to implement super stupid user agent check would acknowledge its mistake and pay attention to an user feedback? I don't think so. BTW, they hire morons who think if the password is hard or nearly impossible to remember for a user, it's hard to hack. They also don't know that entering only some randomly selected characters of the password is far easier for the script (like attacker script) than for a user. And also, the masked password can still be stolen. The morons also think that password cannot contain Unicode. Because no. It would be too hard to brute force
No, we can't tell them to fix the site.
BTW, if those morons felt extremely generous and actually react to the silly user feedback - they would just add another "if" to they user agent script. It would solve the problem but in the most stupid and wrong way.
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Worse when UA sniffing is used intentionally discriminatory, to make life miserable for an uncomfortable competitor (Google?)
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There are extensions for this, but it would be nice as a native Vivaldi feature. That being said, if everyone uses it and leaves it set to 'chrome on windows' - the only UA some websites like to accept - it won't do miracles for Vivaldi's adoption statistics