From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research

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wetware05

I do not know if this is the best place to do my presentation, but as the background is the same issue, I will expose it. For several times vivaldi has "crashed" and when reopening I have lost the open session, which is sometimes more than 20 pages. Not even the ability to recover the lost session in the bin appears. If you navigate through the installation directories of vivaldi you can try to recover the previous session, but it is not always possible. This feeling is very frustrating, because it forces me to navigate through the history to try to recover the open pages that are not always easy to find.

I dedicate myself to research and then write. These sessions are the basis of these investigations on the Internet. I know there is a possibility to record sessions, but would I have to record sessions every time I stack a new search? That would reduce fluidity in my work.

The same thing will happen to many users, who have no choice but to feel frustrated and angry. This behavior is inherited from Chrome, but vivaldi has to overcome these deficiencies.

My suggestion is that Vivaldi keep a record of those sessions every day or every closing. So that if it were the case of a closure of Vivaldi or the system, be able to recover the last available session.

Thanks for your work.

xcln

Notes and bookmarks are great - BUT if the links become dead, they lose a lot of value. Keeping a snapshot (jpg or png image) of that page is a good first step, but two things are lost, (1) links from the page and (2) the original URL and (3) the ability to select text (rather than just image crops of text areas).
Hopefully someone will come up with a good solution; there is a precedent, viz the Scrapbook extension in Firefox, for Vivaldi either a similar approach or a different one re-creating a jpg page into an editable HTML page with clickable links etc would be great.

lamarca

@xcln said in From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research:

Notes and bookmarks are great -

Indeed. Markdown formatting for Notes, adds screenshots, capture select area and attach new files.

@xcln said in From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research:

(1) links from the page and (2) the original URL and (3) the ability to select text (rather than just image crops of text areas).

If it's about Notes:
(1)links from the page and (2) the original URL: They are present
(3) the ability to select text (rather than just image crops of text areas): Notes adds the screenshot.

@xcln said in From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research:

Hopefully someone will come up with a good solution...

There is a brand new category dedicated to Feature Requests. Please do a search before adding your request.

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7pot

@wetware05: So true. I have wrote here several times that Vivaldi should save three last sessions. I have lost so many sessions in my life, in different browsers, so it seems that nobody cares about safety of user data. The last time I have lost ALL of the data on Chomium based Opera, because I could not move profile from broken system to the new installation. I am afraid that some day I will get the same problem on Vivaldi.

rseiler

It truly is speculative fiction that tab stacks(!) should be the first thing in this article, or in the article at all. They're a welter of weirdness these days.

Make tab stacks great again:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/15429/tab-cycling-and-tab-opening-issues-while-using-tab-stacks/38

rseiler

@purgatori said in From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research:

Not really. Even with the 'weirdness' you refer to, I still find tab stacks immensely useful when conducting research.

It's just ironic that the first thing out of the chute in such an article is Vivaldi's most broken major feature. I still do use them too, though less these days, and they infuriate me every time since there's just no getting around the undermining quirks.

Pesala

The thing that infuriates me most is when people complain about nothing.

Tab-stacks are an excellent feature, and like that other major feature that is equally or even more broken — the Bookmarks Bar — it is still perfectly usable.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious bugs, but when people make false claims about them being unusable, it just creates a mental block for them that stops them from adapting to use the available workarounds.

Use the popup thumbnails to select the tab that you want within a stack — don't bother with tab cycling shortcuts
To pin an entire tab-stack at once, select the tabs first, then use whatever shortcut you have assigned (I use Shift+P)
To pin a Start Page with the shortcut focus the page first (F9)
To rearrange tabs within a stack, use the Window Panel

Pesala

@wetware05 said in From idea to finished product: How to use Vivaldi for research:

The same thing will happen to many users, who have no choice but to feel frustrated and angry.

There's always a choice — one can change one's workflow.

Manually saving sessions is a bit slow so may not get done before the crash happens. However, bookmarking all open tabs is very quick. One can then reopen the bookmark folder in the event of a crash.

lamarca

@gwen-dragon Absolutely, like the Devs Tools do.

wetware05

@pesala: Yes, that option can be fast, but then you "mess up" the structure of the bookmark with temporary open pages, and you have to use that way of thinking and you already have fluidity at work. It seems faster to save the session at file level on the hard drive "\Vivaldi\User Data\Default\Last Session". But as if "7pot" says the browser saved the sessions, the way it saves the records, users would be calmer. It could be with an option to choose. Not everyone may want the sessions saved.

tyrantilles

@xcln: Vivaldi have the ability to save MHTML just as any chromium based browser. I always save pages I want to keep offline in this format.
To enable save as MHTML in Vivaldi:

type on a new tab: vivaldi://flags
On that page search for a line called "Save Page as MHTML" and ENABLE it. (if is hard to find hit CTRL+S and search for MHT)
Relaunch Vivaldi.
After that, every time you hit CTRL+S to save a page you will have option at "Save as type" to choose "Webpage, Single File" wich will create a MHTML file that can be opened in just about every web browser.

SuperMecha

@wetware05: I know this is a late response but there's a perfect extension for your issue called Session Buddy.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/session-buddy/edacconmaakjimmfgnblocblbcdcpbko?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog

Ornorm

@wetware05 I use "Clip to OneNote" to do what you try to do. You have the possibility to save a jpeg of the page and OneNote automatically adds the source of the page by adding the url of the page you've saved. I have used OneNote for different researches and it helped a lot (you can save the entire page or just the article itself or a selection of the page (jpeg) or only a bookmark).
I hope this late answer to your post might help you in the future.
Have a nice weekend.

wetware05

Thank you very much for the suggestions. I'm going to try them.

Ornorm

@wetware05 I hope you will find it useful. I find it quite user friendly and flexible enough for all the different researches I'm working on (ideas, projects, references, studies, etc.)

xcln

@tyrantilles - apologies for the late reply - but,
1 - thanks for the tip - altho I use the Chrome extension save page WE, which I suppose does the same thing
2 - what is missing (compared to Firefox LTS only - Scrapbook) is a fast way to organize these pages. With Scrapbook you have immediate one click access to all your saved pages, and in folders if you created them (searching among saved pages is also possible).

xcln

@ornorm Thanks, I also tried Evernote. The trouble is. neither are guranteed 100% copies of the page you are seeing. That is a big disappointment and the reason I ditched these alternatives.
Really, if you can see a page in your browser why can't you just save it as is? A jpeg is OK but sort of limited compared to a web page, even if archived.

That may be the reason Scrapbook only works for Firefox LTS.

Another interesting features of ScrapbookX (a relative of Scrapbook) is that it also has a feature where all you surf can be archived locally. ...

This Scrapbook function is an important feature that could help make Vivaldi UNIQUE.