Password manager doesn't work well



  • Hi,
    So I've switched to Vivaldi a while back and it's quite ok (doesn't handle multiple tabs as well as Firefox, but well), but there is one annoying thing - passwords manager:

    • it doesn't work well - it seems it's tied to the system KeyChain but while Opera and Safari can use it and obtain passwords, Vivaldi only seems to get usernames, which sucks big time (and due to problems with logging in to iCloud I had to delete whole KeyChain so I've lost all passwords).
    • Vivaldi password save prompt seems to be tied to finishing loading of the next page, and it forces to wait to load the next page completely (which can take ages) or simply doesn't show for whatever reason -- displaying it immediately after request is way better;
    • aforementioned prompt is not exactly attached well to the UI (it's displayed from relatively random possition from the top bar) and if we somehow loose it's focus then it's gone and we have to re-login to store the password.
    • password editor in the preferences doesn't allow filtering of the passwords.

    All in all (especially the first point) - it would be way better if Vivaldi had separate passwords store independent from the system...


  • Moderator

    Sorry, but as i know a password database unrelated to OS keystorage is not the goal if storage of web logins is used.

    Workaround for you:
    Disable storage of web passwords.
    Use a external local password manager like Keepass2



  • Well, I do wan't to store passwords so disabling web password storage in not an option...
    But thanks for the tip about KeePass (I used KeePassXC) - this looks like the most sensible option and I can use it in all browsers.



  • @gwen-dragon said in Password manager doesn't work well:

    Keepass2

    @wojtek said in Password manager doesn't work well:

    KeePassXC

    If those forks also saves the DB as Keepass format, you may like to check CKP Extension.


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  • They are, but I decided to go with the two way direct integration over KeePass HTTP protocol... (yes, I'm aware of the risks)



  • OK, this is utterly weird. It looks like the latest build of Vivaldi (1.14.1047.3 (Build oficial) (64 bits)) doesn't store passwords at all! Can any mac user confirm?


  • Moderator

    @wojtek I just tested this with Vivaldi 1.14.1047.3 and cannot replicate your problem; Vivaldi saves passwords just fine for me.

    Is it possible that a security/privacy-related extension could be interfering? Also, if Vivaldi has lost access to the "Chrome Safe Storage" key in your keychain, it will not be able to decrypt passwords that have been saved in its secure storage.



  • @xyzzy said in Password manager doesn't work well:

    Is it possible that a security/privacy-related extension could be interfering?

    I only have "KeePassHttp-Connector" extension from that category. IMHO extensions shouldn't interfere with the process...

    Also, if Vivaldi has lost access to the "Chrome Safe Storage" key in your keychain, it will not be able to decrypt passwords that have been saved in its secure storage.

    Well, safari was asking if it can access keychain (before) and after agreeing passwords saved in safari are available for autocorrect.
    Don't remember if Vivaldi ever asked for the permission. It's not asking now, Before it seems it was able to see usernames from the keychain but not passwords (unless saved explicitly in Vivaldi -- hence this topic to move away from the integrated key-chain access as it's "buggy").

    There is no "Chrome Safe Storage" in my keychain (nor was before if memory serves me right).

    When I try to select "saved" password, after selecting username and then in the field password I have only option "see all saved password" and after selecting it it opens vivaldi://settings/passwords in which I have both option enabled.

    Any clue?



  • Don't know if could be related, but in one of the latest Chromium's engine, there is a problem to show saved passwords.

    It happens on Opera and there are many posts about that.

    Don't know if Vivaldi Snapshot is using that engine version or a newer one.



  • Chrome/Chromium is confussing... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=466638 - shouldn't this be removed whatsoever?



  • @wojtek said in Password manager doesn't work well:

    Vivaldi password save prompt seems to be tied to finishing loading of the next page, and it forces to wait to load the next page completely (which can take ages) or simply doesn't show for whatever reason -- displaying it immediately after request is way better;

    I do like this popup the way it is because I want to see if I’m really properly logged in before saving login/password.
    And this popup seems to detect more login forms than in other browsers I use (Opera presto, Firefox).



  • @jesus2099 said in Password manager doesn't work well:

    I do like this popup the way it is because I want to see if I’m really properly logged in before saving login/password.
    And this popup seems to detect more login forms than in other browsers I use (Opera presto, Firefox).

    I have completely different experience 😃

    • having popup show early allows me to make the decision immediately (when I'm 100% sure I typed password correctly... or pasted it from other browser 😉 ) and if not - I can always wait to see if it worked; other browsers (Firefox) also have more permanent notification about password - even if the pop-up is gone you can always click in the address bar to bring it back and store the password. All in all - Vivaldi offers less flexibility (instead of making decision early or waiting you always have to wait);
    • in terms of detecting passwords - for me and my browsing habits Firefox tend to detect/store passwords better

 

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