Snapshot 1.5.604.4 - Fix for HTML5 audio and video on Windows
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Opera has so many users because: They have been around forever; they were by contract the OEM embedded browser in multiple mobile systems for over a decade; they have a significant advertising business which they also use to push their browser, and vice-versa - not because they accommodate touch screen input. They had thirty million users before there where touch screens on PCs. They had them because they catered to a demographic that wanted speed, flexibility, innovation, and features. When they changed platforms they kept many of these users, lost many others, (by some counts about eight million) and gained a new cohort of lowest-common-denominator users.
That said, no one is "against" touch screen inputs. They would be lovely. We simply understand Vivaldi's reasons for being, its immediate goals and target public, and the economics of the situation. There are easier things Vivaldi can do with its limited resources, which will attract more users faster than implementing touch screen inputs.
Don't forget: It's not like Jon doesn't know the Opera business model inside and out. He built it. Arguably, if it would serve his current purposes, he would replicate it. But he already did Opera. Now he is doing Vivaldi - which is a very different project, not aimed at the users Opera is still serving, but rather the ones Opera and other browsers have abandoned. And that cohort of users does not have a substantially large percentage of touch screen users on PC-style platforms. Therefore, touch-screen has a lower priority than other, more immediately useful, projects. Some of these projects are the "cosmetic changes" you complain of, but which the users Opera abandoned, and others, consider to be important - even indispensable - features. These users are Vivaldi's target public. The target will grow larger as time passes and as resources permit.
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I'll get back to this later just got home from business trip at 3 AM as soon as then had phone call saying CCRD had been compromised at Boston 1200 miles from where I was at. But if it makes any difference I used "drop-down" g ( little mag glass) did NOT type g " search". I'll read more later can't think after 3 hr. drive on top of that.
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Don't forget: It's not like Jon doesn't know the Opera business model inside and out. He built it. Arguably, if it would serve his current purposes, he would replicate it. But he already did Opera. Now he is doing Vivaldi - which is a very different project, not aimed at the users Opera is still serving, but rather the ones Opera and other browsers have abandoned. And that cohort of users does not have a substantially large percentage of touch screen users on PC-style platforms. Therefore, touch-screen has a lower priority than other, more immediately useful, projects. Some of these projects are the "cosmetic changes" you complain of, but which the users Opera abandoned, and others, consider to be important - even indispensable - features. These users are Vivaldi's target public. The target will grow larger as time passes and as resources permit.
The word "complain" is usually used, when there is nothing much to say. I have no interest in Opera, or what Opera had abandoned. I don't carry that baggage of a once-used-browser. For me Vivaldi is new, and it has something I need–tab stacking. Using the mouse had become a problem, so the need for the touch screen. Vivaldi has the beauty, alright. The next step must be taken. And, I like Vivaldi.
If I use RemixOS, instead of Windows on the touch laptop, I get the Chrome browser with its native tab stacking, and that can be pushed which way you like. Try it and see what I mean.
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I say "complain" because you repeatedly indicate that effort on such items would be better spent on the items which you, personally, find more important. When you are saying the developers are misusing their time and talents, ie, doing it wrong, I would characterize that as complaining. Don't get me wrong. Complaining is the first step to justice (a civil or criminal complaint is the document that initiates a case), or to correction (a customer complaint is the document that opens a service ticket). So to use the term "complain" is not to belittle or judge adversely. It is to accurately reflect the position of the complainer. It is to say you feel something is being done wrong. It is also to differentiate the initial position of an individual from the ultimate findings of fact.
I would note that the developers read EVERY report and feature request that comes in on the bug report line (it's good for both bugs and feature requests), and there is a LOT of discussion, around the clock, every day, concerning these user feedback reports, requests and suggestions. Sometimes, Jon chimes in. While discussion here sometimes come to something and sometimes doesn't, everything received over the bugreport line receives consideration and sometimes discussion. A large number of bugreport mentions of the same issue can change the priorities and direction of development - as was the case with tear-off tabs.
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I also want to mention an important consideration. Vivaldi has hired a development ambassador. One of her "crusades" is accessibility. If, for instance, mouse usage has become an issue for you because of physical limitations like RSI, arthritis, late onset MS or ANY issue which makes you a member of a population whose access problems inhere in your physical being and are not a matter of choice, making touch screen usable for you while mouse is not, her presence and her attention could lead to more emphasis on your report than it might otherwise receive. I'm just trying to give you the most thorough, most useful, knowledge of the lay of the land.
The issue of various kinds of colorblindness affected the makeup of the theming engine, for instance. Access is a "thing" for Vivaldi.
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Its good that we are talking, rather than accusing. The mouse usage is becoming a health problem to all of us. It may not show up today for youngsters, but would arrive later. That's one of the reasons to buy a touch laptop. I still have to use a mouse, when I design, but its use has brought to minimum. Some people think touch devices are only for play, watch videos, listen music or browse the web, but they can be used to work too, even in Autocad. Anyway, if the touch abilities would come to Vivaldi, its good, but if it doesn't, not my loss.
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For the record, I also hope that touch support is something that can be added to Vivaldi. Anything that makes Vivaldi work better for more people is a good thing.
At the very least, I hope that supporting gestures from a broader range of devices is in the backs of developers' minds as they work on their current projects. Other features may have higher priorities at the moment (so that they can just get finished and free up developer time for other initiatives) but I think it's important for broader gesture support to be a design consideration right now so that it can be implemented as easily as possible without having to rewrite a significant chunk of the code base in the future.
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If you open the Nvidia Control Panel, select Manage 3D settings and under Program Settings add Vivaldi and enable VSync, does that fix it for you?
OMG. I can't believe i didn't try that already. Enabling or disabling VSync didn't help, but there's also an extra option to disable G-Sync which did the trick.
Vivaldi still switches into a 3D application mode though which results in an FPS counter being shown in the top right corner and a video being recorded via shadowplay in the background, That's something I've set up in the nVidia experience application and should normally only be activated in games.
I still think that Vivaldi should be included into some exception list by nVidia, so that users don't have to manually configure their system, but thanks to you at least I got it working now. I can't believe if i didn't think of that myself. Thanks a lot for the tipp. -
Also, note that the engine that's selected in the Search Box has absolutely no effect on the default search engine that I have configured in my Vivaldi Settings. With my Search Box set to use "Google", if I search for something in the Address Bar, I will get search results from DDG, my configured default search engine.
And here are some potentially confusing aspects Vivaldi's implementation:
- My Search Box is currently showing "Search Google" but typing a search into the Address Bar will give me results from my default search engine, Duck Duck Go.
- The Search Box dropdown shows me a list of search engines and their nicknames/modifiers… except I can't use the modifiers in the Search Box; I can only use the nickname to modify searches in the Address Bar.
- The Search Box search engine is a global setting, not a per-tab setting, and totally separate from the default search engine in Vivaldi settings.
- It's arguably wrong that Vivaldi doesn't reinitialize the Search Box search engine selection to the default when opening a new tab or restarting Vivaldi.
As to what I can say even with a little sleep…confusing.
I have DDG as default search in settings on setup. I haven't used the address bar at all not that familiar with it.
It seemed to always use the set search engine for me DDG.Surprise I thought Search Box was per tab cause to me it defeats the purpose of settings in settings IF it doesn't revert back to default setting. So I agree with you thanks for explaining it to me.
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1.4 stable is not so stable on my MacBook with El Capitan. 1.5.609.8 works fine on my windows machine at work. When I loaded 1.5 on the Mac it blew out most of the functions of the menu - no access to any tools and even had to force quit to exit. Beginning to think Windows must be the priority for development. Did not think I'd go back to Opera but it is more tempting even with the possibility of the Chinese using their access in unfriendly ways. I do not have any unusual number of extensions and those I use regularly work fine in Opera, Firefox, and Chrome. Hope for best but feel like second class citizen…
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This has made 2/3 times now whenever a new version comes out and I upgrade, it takes out ALL of my tabs! Finally getting around to say something about this. Has anyone else complained about this annoyance?
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