Slow on older computer



  • As much as I love Vivaldi, I have to say it seems to have gotten almost too heavy for my system. It takes 60 s for a cold start. Web sites load slowly. On those sites that insist on loading a video I don't want to watch, I have to wait until it has loaded before I can scroll down and read. (Reader mode helps with this.) Netflix stops and starts. In all cases, conky shows cpu at 100% for long periods.

    Chromium cold-starts in <20s and other problems mentioned are much improved (e.g. Netflix plays smoothly with cpu at ~60%), but I don't want to use it on a regular basis because I'm accustomed to Vivaldi's reliability and amenities.

    There must be a fair number of us who are unwilling or unable to replace a working old clunker. Have developers considered at all a light version for those of us with slow machines, if that's possible? Are there config settings I could try? My recollection is that the 0.# snapshots and betas were much snappier, but unfortunately I haven't kept any of the debs. Could someone provide a link to a repo of previous Vivaldi versions so I could test?

    Thanks in advance for not flaming me ;) I am grateful for this great browser. Best wishes for the new year.

    1.6.689.34 (Stable channel) (64-bit)
    2009 Lenovo ideapad 1.6GHz VIA Nano 64-bit single core processor, 3GB ram, Fatdog Linux 710


  • Moderator

    @wognath - Can you lay out your machine specs - processor type and speed, RAM volume, type and speed, system bit-width?

    I'm in the process of installing Mint on some killer old software, and would like to see if I have the same sorts of problems, or if 12 years old is to new to match up to your hardware.



  • Ayespy, My machine is only 7 years old!
    dmidecode gave this info:
    Memory Device
    Total Width: 128 bits
    Data Width: 64 bits
    Size: 1024 MB
    Speed: Unknown
    Same specs for second 2048 MB device
    Sorry, I don't know how else to find memory speed.

    hardinfo gave:
    -Processor-
    Name : VIA Nano processor U2250 (1.6GHz Capable)
    Family, model, stepping : 6, 15, 3 (Centaur i386 class)
    Vendor : CentaurHauls
    -Configuration-
    Cache Size : 1024kb
    Frequency : 1600.00MHz
    BogoMIPS : 3193.73
    Byte Order : Little Endian


  • Moderator

    @wognath - Oh, geez. Really? What is the brand and model of that computer? It sounds like a web book.



  • @wognath said in Slow on older computer:

    Ayespy, My machine is only 7 years old!
    dmidecode gave this info:

    If you're using a Debian based system, inxi is a handy little sysinfo script which gives a forum friendly output.
    eg

    CantankRus@Xenial:~$ inxi -b
    System:    Host: Xenial Kernel: 4.4.0-57-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Unity 7.4.0  Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
    Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: GA-78LMT-USB3 v: x.x Bios: Award v: FA date: 04/23/2013
    CPU:       Quad core AMD FX-4300 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1400/3800 MHz
    Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]
               Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
               Resolution: 1680x1050@59.88hz
               GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 550 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 367.57
    Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
    Drives:    HDD Total Size: 870.2GB (11.0% used)
    Info:      Processes: 286 Uptime: 7 days Memory: 2090.4/3933.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
    

    You may need to run as root to access some info.
    eg for dmidecode memory info.

    CantankRus@Xenial:~$ sudo inxi -m
    Memory:    Array-1 capacity: 16 GB devices: 4 EC: None
               Device-1: A0 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
               Device-2: A1 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
               Device-3: A2 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
               Device-4: A3 size: 4 GB speed: 1333 MHz type: N/A
    

    For help inxi -h
    Most Debian based distros have inxi in their repos.


  • Moderator

    On older netbooks Vivaldi is slower. May be a problem of faulty or missing GPU acceleration. I have it with my old Atom on MSI U220 netbook.

    What does vivaldi://gpu show in first section?



  • @CantankRus said in Slow on older computer:

    If you're using a Debian based system, inxi is a handy little sysinfo script which gives a forum friendly output.

    Great! Just installed it. The man page gives the impression that it'll work with other Linux systems as well!

       -r     Show distro repository data. Currently supported repo types:
    
              APT (Debian, Ubuntu + derived versions)
    
              PACMAN (Arch Linux + derived versions)
    
              PISI (Pardus + derived versions)
    
              PORTAGE (Gentoo, Sabayon + derived versions)
    
              PORTS (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD + derived OS types)
    
              SLACKPKG (Slackware + derived versions)
    
              URPMQ (Mandriva, Mageia + derived versions)
    
              YUM/ZYPP (Fedora, Redhat, maybe Suse + derived versions)


  • Lenovo Ideapad S12 netbook (2009)
    CantankRus, thanks for suggesting inxi. The [12,000 line] script just runs, no install needed.

    System:    Host: fatdog64 Kernel: 4.4.35 x86_64 (64 bit) 
               Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2 
               Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 710 Linux 4.4.35 [ arch] 
    Machine:   System: LENOVO (portable) product: 20021 2959 v: Lenovo Ideapad S12 serial: 1S168002940000ZT 
               Mobo: LENOVO model: MoutCook serial: EB14595608
               Bios: LENOVO v: 20CN23WW date: 07/17/2009
    CPU:       Single core VIA Nano U2250 ( Capable) (-UP-) clocked at 1600 MHz
    Graphics:  Card: VIA VX800/VX820 Chrome 9 HC3 Integrated Graphics
               Display Server: X.org 1.18.3 drivers: openchrome (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
               tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
    Network:   Card-1: Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express
               driver: tg3
               Card-2: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge
    Drives:    HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (6.8% used) 
    Info:      Processes: 184 Uptime: 18 min Memory: 775.2/2757.1MB 
               Client: Shell (sh) inxi: 2.1.28 
    

    vivaldi://gpu, 1st section

    Graphics Feature Status
    Canvas: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Flash: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Flash Stage3D: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Flash Stage3D Baseline profile: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Compositing: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Multiple Raster Threads: Disabled
    Native GpuMemoryBuffers: Software only. Hardware acceleration disabled
    Rasterization: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Video Decode: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    Video Encode: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    VPx Video Decode: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
    WebGL: Hardware accelerated but at reduced performance

    As an experiment, under vivaldi://flags, I enabled #ignore-gpu-blacklist. Most items change to "Hardware accelerated". I'll test for a few days, but so far, it seems to make things worse :(


  • Moderator

    Ouch. I'm afraid I can't do comparative tests to this level of hardware. My 13-year-old basic tower has four times the processing power (3.0 GHz and two cores) and twice the RAM (2 GB) that your netbook does. Over time, Vivaldi is sure to become leaner and more resource efficient, and a mobile version will come out. I don't know. Perhaps the mobile version could be tweaked to install on a linux netbook, since Android basically runs on a linux kernel, but I don't know. Making a decent chromium-based browser that will run fast and smooth on that hardware is a real challenge. I can only wish you luck, and suggest that you try things like turning off animations, emptying the Top Sites file and making it read-only, or other similar "slimming" strategies.



  • You could also look at installing uBlock Origin extension which enables blocking of third party and unwanted web page content.
    It allows you to block media elements over a defined size.
    Using in advanced mode gives a lot of control.



  • @Gwen-Dragon said in Slow on older computer:

    On older netbooks Vivaldi is slower. May be a problem of faulty or missing GPU acceleration. I have it with my old Atom on MSI U220 netbook.

    Almost all old netbooks with 32-bit Atom CPU - thanks to Microsoft's licencing strategy - only have 1 GB RAM. While most Linuxes will need around 350 MB RAM, Vivaldi at start up already needs more than that and after having opened and closed a few tabs soon exceeds 1 GB (currently with only this tab open it consumes 1,2 GB on my 64-bit-system).

    @wognath
    With 3 GB RAM it surely isn't the RAM but rather the VIA Nano, that's only a bit quicker than the Atom and just too slow for most modern browsers (Otter is noticeably quicker but not as complete as Vivaldi).
    Sadly Vivaldi has no possibility to switch off autoload and autoplay of videos (unless you count the available extensions which don't work reliably).
    As to startup: I noticed that Vivaldi starts much quicker on my system with --disable-gpu option.



  • Thanks for all the suggestions. Nothing tried so far makes much difference, as expected, but I have learned things.

    I have uBlock origin installed (oops--I should have mentioned my extensions in original post: uBlock, https everywhere and Ghostery). I'll try setting the option to block large media. That should solve the problem of unwanted videos.

    I wasn't aware of Otter, so I'll have a look. I used Opera 12 to the bitter end, so "recreate the best aspects of Opera 12.x" sounds interesting. Most likely I'll stick with Vivaldi though. Having a little patience is a good thing, they say :/

    I found this site to download 1.## vivaldis:
    http://www.astonsoftware.ro/file/page/199/Vivaldi
    :question: Is there an official repo for old Vivaldi releases? repo.vivaldi.com appears to have only 1.6 snapshots and 1.5 releases. I would like to retry some of the 0.# and 1.# which might be lighter.


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  • @wognath said in Slow on older computer:

    I would like to retry some of the 0.# and 1.# which might be lighter.

    That's probably a bad idea. Those older versions are based on older Chromium versions with known security issues.


  • Vivaldi Team

    We do in fact have a public repo https://vivaldi.com/download/archive/win/ but as it says in the description @ the page : We highly recommend using the latest Version of Vivaldi to benefit from latest security updates, bug fixes and new features. Use at your own risk. Edit: Deleted the previous comment to highlight the security risk more.


  • Moderator

    Derived from Aronands post: Linux version can be found are at https://vivaldi.com/download/archive/linux/
    CAUTION: Use at own risk as older version may have security holes.



  • Thanks for the links to the repo.

    Use at your own risk.

    Understood; I'll stick with the latest. The old one (1.0.435.38) is faster, though.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    @wognath
    The usual advice usually to try empty profile.
    But, I think in your case probably it need the other way around.
    Try to turn off/on or tick/untick the default settings. Default settings not necessarily fit for everyone system.

    Here in my rather old Desktop Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz 2GB ram:
    (Yes, almost close to your specs).

    • Turn off "Use Animation".
    • Turn on "Use Native Window".
    • Start up with, either Homepage or Start Page.
    • Turn off "Show background image".
    • Turn off "Show Search Field in Address Bar".
    • Turn off "Google Phising..."
    • Turn off "Smooth Scrolling"

    Explanations:

    • Eye candy do cost resources.
    • Native window felt more responsive.
    • Logically, wake up with loaded tabs point to outside world cost resources.
      Related:
      Disable chrome://flags/#enable-offline-auto-reload
      Enabled chrome://flags/#enable-offline-auto-reload-visible-only
    • Believe it or not, static image cost resources.
    • UI clutters do use resources.
    • No, it's not about Google. Less contact on start up is better. Turn it on after as you wish.
    • Smooth scrolling eat resources in any OS applications. What ever anyone said it fixed.

    The main problem is all Chromium based browsers contact outside world when network connection is detected on same time. Especially on startup.
    Sum that with addons which also do that
    ex.:
    adblock/malware/scam list subscriptions check.
    LassPass know to contact it server as wake up.

    Note however, addons only run/wakeup after the browser it self fully run; Chromium feature.

    Vivaldi is already filled with extra features. I'm afraid if say just 2/3 feature requests in this forum alone being implement, we will shoot our self on the foot. The older versions got lesser features obviously.



  • dLeon, thank you for the detailed suggestions and explanations. Although I was unaware of the explanations, I had already done many of them. Regarding extensions, Adblock caused intolerable delay on startup; uBlock origin is much better. You said

    I'm afraid if say just 2/3 feature requests in this forum alone being implement, we will shoot our self on the foot. The older versions got lesser features obviously.

    On the other hand, Ayespy predicts

    Over time, Vivaldi is sure to become leaner and more resource efficient, and a mobile version will come out... Perhaps the mobile version could be tweaked to install on a linux netbook

    Leaner would surprise me, but I hope he's right. Puppylinux forum member nic007 has run Opera Mobile on Linux, but it requires JRE :(


  • Vivaldi Translator

    @wognath said in Slow on older computer:

    On the other hand, Ayespy predicts

    Over time, Vivaldi is sure to become leaner and more resource efficient, and a mobile version will come out... Perhaps the mobile version could be tweaked to install on a linux netbook

    This one probably near the corner. Testing latest snapshot. Open 6 webpage tabs + 1 window running heavy Flash game. In task manager 10%~20% lesser resources than the Fox. I scratch my head, somebody doing their homeworks.


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