Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi
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This is funny. I already use Vivaldi as my desktop browser and am a paid subscriber to proton VPN.
Excellent choice!
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Thank you!
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Thank you both -- Vivaldi and Proton.
Privacy -- a right, not a "premium."
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I have used NordVPN for years, and it has features that I like. For one, it is in Panama where they don't respond to data requests from the Intelligence Communitee.
I can allow apps to pass through unaffected by the VPN's security. For one, Outlook had problems, so added it to the list of allowed apps.
I get few false positives which I immediately got when I turned on Proton VPN.
The only way I could get to a well know review site was to dissable the VPN.
Because this is included with Vivaldi, I'm not sure they/you are offering any tweaking of the VPN to address these issues. If not, I'll turn it off, and continue to use NordVPN.
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There have been a lot of comments about the extension being installed and enabled just by clicking the VPN button. It would be better if nothing was installed or enabled without user consent. I am sure that the extension is trustworthy, but users may wonder why they need it. Vivaldi 7.3 was a surprise, with no snapshot testing before its launch.
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@Taiga said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Vivaldi could adopt Brave's free and open source ad block engine, which is light-years better, but they don't.
They can't adopt Shield's code.
Why do you think NOBODY hasn't done it or even considers to do it even now with the MV3 situation?
Because Brave's license requires anyone using Shields to add a Brave advertisement on it.
Nobody is going to do that. Vivaldi will never agree to add an ad of a competitor lol.
Yes, Brave is such a hypocrite. They get more than 95% of their code from someone else without them having to follow ridiculous licenses.
But they feel justified to open source with ridiculous licenses nobody would agree on them.
Why? Because they don't really want someone to fork anything from them, they even sued forks in the past lol. -
@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
This is not good installing something without user confirmation
Same for other features and tools installed without your consent (Translation? some default search engines, even Google?), but requested by others. I don't see a problem to offer an feature which you can easy delete if you don't want it, as almost anything in Vivaldi.
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
This is not good installing something without user confirmation
Same for other features and tools installed without your consent (Translation? some default search engines, even Google?), but requested by others. I don't see a problem to offer an feature which you can easy delete if you don't want it, as almost anything in Vivaldi.
If I were Vivaldi I would just hide the extension from the extensions page.
It's very easy not to show an installed extension there.
Many extensions in all browsers are packed this way in order to be uninstallable.
Vivaldi, Chrome, Brave, Edge, Opera, Firefox etc, all browsers come with various uninstallable extensions pre-installed.
This way they wouldn't have anything to complain lol.
Sometimes I think Vivaldi is just too nice and the people who like to complain will complain no matter what.
They should make the extension uninstallable and be done with it. -
@Catweazle
That's different. Search engines and speed dial ads don't add any code to the browser itself. Built-in features are made by Vivaldi, while this one is a third-party extension. I don't think it contains any malicious code, I use some Proton products and other extensions too. I may use this one too. But still, it's not made by Vivaldi. And it can be turned off, but a new button shows up on the toolbar and it installs an extension on the first click. It's just the principle to show a confirmation popup wheneven the user installs/activates a third-party product.Not to mention the fact that many of the users, even of Vivaldi, don't read the release notes or the welcome page after update. They can genuinely think that it's a malicious extension corrupting their browser. It would be practical to pop up a short message about the new feature and ask for permission to install at the same time.
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@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
I am confused, if you click on that new VPN button, will Proton VPN extension be installed without any confirmation? This is pretty bad imo
While I'm fine with the inclusion of this VPN, I do think it's wrong to have this install without any confirmation or warning by simply clicking the toolbar button. There could have been a confirmation dialogue on first start with the new feature or just a confirmation when clicking the button (preferably the first).
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Said:
It would be practical to pop up a short message about the new feature and ask for permission to install at the same time.
Agree. But please a little more indulgence with the team.
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They can genuinely think that it's a malicious extension corrupting their browser.
So they either chose Vivaldi blindly or they don't understand his philosophy at all.
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
This is not good installing something without user confirmation
Same for other features and tools installed without your consent (Translation? some default search engines, even Google?), but requested by others. I don't see a problem to offer an feature which you can easy delete if you don't want it, as almost anything in Vivaldi.
Proton VPN is a 3rd party addon.
@Nekomajin said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle
That's different. Search engines and speed dial ads don't add any code to the browser itself. Built-in features are made by Vivaldi, while this one is a third-party extension. I don't think it contains any malicious code, I use some Proton products and other extensions too. I may use this one too. But still, it's not made by Vivaldi. And it can be turned off, but a new button shows up on the toolbar and it installs an extension on the first click. It's just the principle to show a confirmation popup wheneven the user installs/activates a third-party product.Not to mention the fact that many of the users, even of Vivaldi, don't read the release notes or the welcome page after update. They can genuinely think that it's a malicious extension corrupting their browser. It would be practical to pop up a short message about the new feature and ask for permission to install at the same time.
well said
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@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
This is not good installing something without user confirmation
Proton VPN is a 3rd party addon.
No, it's not. It is installed by Vivaldi and Vivaldi is responsible it won't do anything bad.
Proton is now a Vivaldi partner, not a 3rd party extension you installed yourself and Vivaldi is not responsible for.
With that logic Lingvanex is a 3rd party. It's not. It's shipped by Vivaldi, it is a part of Vivaldi and Vivaldi is responsible for it. -
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That landing page is now part of my very happy history.
I am so happy to see the alliance of my Internet Heroes, Vivaldi and Proton!
Been a Proton fan forever, and an Opera now Vivaldi fan forever, so..It's like Gandalf gets a Spaceship..
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@electryon said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
No, it's not. It is installed by Vivaldi and Vivaldi is responsible it won't do anything bad.
Proton is now a Vivaldi partner, not a 3rd party extension you installed yourself and Vivaldi is not responsible for.
With that logic Lingvanex is a 3rd party. It's not. It's shipped by Vivaldi, it is a part of Vivaldi and Vivaldi is responsible for it.nor sure about Lingvanex, but I see Proton VPN as 3rd party extension
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@electryon
Does Proton VPN run on Vivaldi servers. No. That's exactly the definition of third-party. -
@Nekomajin said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@electryon
Does Proton VPN run on Vivaldi servers. No. That's exactly the definition of third-party.You can see it anything you want.
Firefox VPN runs on Mullvad servers. So?
But it is not a 3rd party product when it is intergrated in Vivaldi and it can work with a Vivaldi account.
And since it is included in Vivaldi, Vivaldi has the responsibility for it to work properly.
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Nice that Vivaldi have caught upto their nemesis Opera but I uninstalled Proton as soon as I found I couldn't change the country without being asked to Upgrade
