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Stardust

The browser just got out of alpha and is now in beta. So, it is not even a full, stable product yet. Judging it as lacking vision is shortsighted.

Shortsighted is not including Horizontal tabs since the beginning.

@Granite1 said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

I have no axe to grind as I am not using the browser. I use Vivaldi as my main browser, which is superior in customizability, while Brave, though as customizable, is my rock solid back-up

I use Firefox and Vivaldi. I don't care about other chromium browsers.

Stardust

@Granite1 said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

The browser just got out of alpha and is now in beta. So, it is not even a full, stable product yet. Judging it as lacking vision is shortsighted.

So my initial judgment about lack of vision was right in the end.

from their wiki:

"How can I use horizontal tabs?"

Zen Browser will not support horizontal tabs in the near future. The decision to focus on Vertical Tabs is a core design choice, with the entire Zen Browser experience built around this concept. This approach is intended to maximize screen space and improve navigation, making vertical tabs an essential part of Zen’s philosophy.

https://docs.zen-browser.app/faq

Ok, their decision.

Catweazle

@Stardust, for me vertical tabs are also the most logical approach, since almost all webpages are in vertical format, horizontal Tabs, more if used in multilevel, rest valuable space of the page content.
Only in panoramic content, like movies or games, horizontal Tabs make some sense, but these are watched anyway mostly in fullscreen.

Stardust

@Catweazle I prefer to allocate all available width to the content. Also having tabs on top of the edge is way faster to close or reorder with mouse because it's the edge of the screen.

I also have Vivaldi side panel always hidden.

intersk

I'm ready to say goodbye to Vivaldi just because the synchronization hasn't worked for several days.
I will choose Firefox for the Internet and Thunderbird for mail and calendar.
But I'll give Vivaldi another day to fix it.

Stardust

@intersk said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

I'm ready to say goodbye to Vivaldi just because the synchronization hasn't worked for several days.

People leaving Vivaldi for synchronization now?
I don't use synchronization in Vivaldi and Firefox

Catweazle

As said before, even Big Brother companies aren't free of a Big Server crash

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/12/11/facebook-and-instagram-down-heres-what-we-know-about-widespread-outages/

Shit hppens for everyone, in Meta even enough time to fill the network with Memes.

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intersk

@Stardust I use Vivaldi on several computers and phones. Data synchronization between devices is important to me.

intersk

@Catweazle Instargam and Facebook is a very big company with a lot of equipment and data centers. Therefore, they can repair long-term. But not Vivaldi

Stardust

@intersk said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

@Stardust I use Vivaldi on several computers and phones. Data synchronization between devices is important to me.

I understand, hope the team will fix it asap

Catweazle

@intersk, yes, it only shows that servers always can crash, even big ones for long time and not so easy to fix even with a big team.
And also that because of this it is nonsens to change a browser only for a sync down, when all other works flawless and all data are safe.

intersk

@Catweazle This has never happened to Firifox when I used it for several years. Due to a synchronization failure, I cannot fully use my Internet access on different devices. Initially I was a supporter of Vivaldi. But they always have problems synchronizing data, including calendar and others.

Catweazle

@intersk, I use Vivaldi since 8 years and never failed until now 2 times (the first ashort hicup for some hours). It isn't an argument that it has never ocurred in Mozilla.... until it does. As you can currently see, it ocurres even to all Meta services. It's annoying, yes, but it says nothing, tech can fail and it does earlier or later.
Yes, you can't sync to your other devices, but all important data are stored locally in all of these, passwords, etc., only changes made in the downtime are not present if you don't share it by hand to the others.
In the web, now in Christmas time, ther will be more server crashs in all kind of services, due to heavy traffic.

Granite1

@Stardust:

So my initial judgment about lack of vision was right in the end.

No, it was not. Lack of vision means not knowing where you are going. As per the quote you provided, they know very well where they are going. If it means they provide for a niche group of people, so what?

After all, Vivaldi provides for a small/very small group of people. So, according to your logic the Vivaldi team lacks vision. Then why do you use Vivaldi, why are you even on this forum?

shojivrstrinova8

hope vivaldi able to install extension from firefox addon store

blackdagor28

@shojivrstrinova8 This won't be possible, Firefox Add-ons have a different structure than Chromium based browsers Extensions, maybe you can get a Firefox add-on named similar or with the same functions that you are looking for in the Chrome Web Store to use it on Vivaldi.

Stardust

@Granite1 said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

No, it was not. Lack of vision means not knowing where you are going. As per the quote you provided, they know very well where they are going. If it means they provide for a niche group of people, so what?

They can do whatever they want. I think their vision is shortsighted. They are creating browser only for Verticallers, that's a discrimination of Horizontallers!

After all, Vivaldi provides for a small/very small group of people.

Why is that? I thought Vivaldi is for everyone.

So, according to your logic the Vivaldi team lacks vision.

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Then why do you use Vivaldi, why are you even on this forum?

I am ex-Opera-Presto user and I am following Vivaldi development since 2015

Vivaldi is the best chromium-based browser.

Granite1

@Stardust:

I thought Vivaldi is for everyone.

Yes it is, in principle. In practice Vivaldi is used by a small group of people who are regarded as so-called power users.

Now, I always say to potential users who complain about the wealth of customizability that they can use the features/customizations they want and leave the rest.

However, in practice most remain overwhelmed, and the Vivaldi team know that. Is that a lack of vision? Of course not, on the contrary, the team target a specific group of users, despite the fact that anybody can use it.

Similarly, Zen is very customizable, and the way it is done it seems to appeal to many. Vertical tabs are part of their vision, they are well aware that most people want horizontal tabs, but obviously a not insignificant group want vertical.

If the Zen team lacked vision they would not know which group they were targeting. If by targeting a specific group they exclude certain users, so what?

Mercedes knowingly exclude a significant group of car owners. Is that lack of vision? Of course not.

So, you have 2 options:

forget about Zen and its vision, or
embrace vertical tabs and go for it.

Stardust

@Granite1 said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

Yes it is, in principle. In practice Vivaldi is used by a small group of people who are regarded as so-called power users.

And power users are recommending it to normal users

Similarly, Zen is very customizable, and the way it is done it seems to appeal to many. Vertical tabs are part of their vision, they are well aware that most people want horizontal tabs, but obviously a not insignificant group want vertical.

I wouldn't call Zen very customizable. It just has 2-3 nice features on top of Firefox.

If the Zen team lacked vision they would not know which group they were targeting. If by targeting a specific group they exclude certain users, so what?

No problem at all. Their choice to limit userbase by verticallers only.

So, you have 2 options:

forget about Zen and its vision, or
embrace vertical tabs and go for it.

I don't even have Zen installed
I may revisit it when they add horizontal tabs
Horizontal tabs forever!

DoctorG

@Granite1 said in Good Bye to Vivaldi:

In practice Vivaldi is used by a small group of people who are regarded as so-called power users.

No, my female partner is a regular user in her own office and she is not a Millenium or IT person, she's around 60 yrs old artist and storyteller. She used Opera 12 and now uses Vivaldi without trouble on Linux, for Canva, Notion, Wordpress, Research, Online-Meetings, Coaching etc.