What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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@Lurtz I agree, still lots of rough edges. But in terms of features, there's almost, almost, enough to have most users, except super hardcore ones, switch to Vivaldi full-time.
Sync is probably the one feature I'm hoping comes soon, as I know a few people who I introduced to Vivaldi and the only reason they use other browsers like Chrome is that it has sync, and so they don't have to worry about losing their data. I have that worry too, even though I haven't lost my data yet.
What about Chrome and Firefox's address bar is superior to Vivaldi's? I haven't used Chrome in a few years, and I haven't looked at Firefox too deeply.
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@Lurtz
I must confess that I am only a occasional Firefox or Chrom(e|ium) user and as such might not have explored all features - but:
What exactly is missing in the addressbar of Vivaldi in comparison to Firefox or Chrome?(maybe it is time to add some feature requests to the bug tracking system)
btw I hope I don't violate my NDA when I write that sync is a work in progress (but I believe JvT himself already said that in public).
One of the problems with sync is, that it does not only need stuff inside of the browser but a server infrastructure to provide a backend for it, which is quite difficult to get right and secure.
Especially the later is no small feat nowadays, considering that about 20 to 30% of all servers worldwide got hacked at some point and that more than 50% of all servers have loopholes for culprits to get into and steal the data. Most of the user data in the wild nowadays is not from hacked or infected user computers but from massive hacks of server databases - way less effort:
Find one loophole in one Network/Cloud account, get millions of data sets, profit!
Nothing I would want to see with my synced browser data because that could instantly compromise all of my accounts.
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@QuHno said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
One of the problems with sync is, that it does not only need stuff inside of the browser but a server infrastructure to provide a backend for it, which is quite difficult to get right and secure.
I won't ever use sync. Any data that I have that is potentially sensitive, like email contacts and correspondence is encrypted with a strong password using 7-Zip and Veracrypt.
I think people would be in less of a hurry for sync and email if they understood what you're saying.
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@D0J0P said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
@Lurtz
What about Chrome and Firefox's address bar is superior to Vivaldi's? I haven't used Chrome in a few years, and I haven't looked at Firefox too deeply.@QuHno said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
@Lurtz
I must confess that I am only a occasional Firefox or Chrom(e|ium) user and as such might not have explored all features - but:
What exactly is missing in the addressbar of Vivaldi in comparison to Firefox or Chrome?The suggestions are just all over the place in Vivaldi. In Chrome and Firefox especially, 9 times out of 10 I get exactly what I was looking for right away.
In Vivaldi there opens a huge list of possible items that could fit to my input, but a lot of the times doesn't, even with sites I visit very often. There seems to be no algorithm that rates the suggestions according to my previous site history and inputs.For me the adress bar is THE first place to go for navigating in a browser. So I have to change my entire workflow if I want to use Vivaldi.
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Chrome is my default browser, I would like to move on to Vivaldi. Whats holding me back:
- Vivaldi's Bookmark Management. Update and synchronize bookmarks between different devices is important to me. I have not found a solution for that with Vivaldi. Yes I have tried different extensions. I am currently importing / exporting bookmarks. That is time consuming and a satisfactory solution.
- Pandora.com is not supporting Vivaldi as a browser. Pandora is working within Vivaldi with a IE Browser extension. According to Pandora Support they got no plans to support Vivialdi. Yes I am addicted to my own Radio Station when working.
- Lack of support for Vivaldi for other software companies. I am testing, developing, analyzing stuff for companies like BMC, Zendesk, Service-Now and other cloud based software companies. None of them officially support Vivaldi. I always need to double check whatever I am working on in a supported browser. That is normally IE, Chrome, Firefox or Opera.
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@Mogle I thought that the "browser support" is a thing of the past (like the times where IE6 was one of the most popular browsers) and that nowadays every decent company is actually concerned about the "technology support", regardless of the software that the end-user happens to like the most (by using scripts like Modernizr rather than sniffing for user-agent)...
I was able to launch Pandora in Vivaldi, though I had to fake my location, since Pandora is not "available" in my region. I had to allow plugins (that I'm blocking by default) to make it work. The site kept reloading every minute or so, but I'm not sure whether it was due to the use of some cheesy VPN extension that I picked randomly from the Chrome Web Store or if there was some problem with the site itself.
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@mikecrews - My startup time is two seconds. On my oldest, crummiest machine (13 years old) it's 20 seconds. How might your and my setups differ?
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@mikecrews said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
The inability to do Google Image searches without an extension is another reason I haven't gone Full Vivaldi.
why, can't you add google images as search engine?
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@mikecrews - that's 'way too long for that machine. Should be 5-10 seconds at most with 30 tabs from a prior session, 1000 bookmarks, and a reasonably large top sites file. Is there a chance that any of these is just incomprehensibly huge in your Vivaldi?
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Having switched entirely on my work PC, I have just realised, now that I'm using my personal surface pro 4, that there's something that may make me go back to some other browser (or even forward to Edge), and that's that V doesn't support touch. I've read some of the comments elsewhere about this and I see that there's a lot of complication in implementing it - but I wonder if we're talking about a full-on implementation rather than just the simplest things you miss if on a touch screen - the one I find myself doing all the time is drag (with a finger) to scroll. Maybe that would be less complicated (or maybe not, in which case I'll wait for the full-on thing).
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@aach1 well, I give up. all the time I was writing that post, touch to drag was not working in vivaldi while it was working in Edge. Now it's working in both. Something intermittent perhaps. feel free, moderators, to delete this post then...
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@mikecrews - Top Sites is a file in the User Data/Default folder of the Vivaldi program directory. "Default" is the folder pointed out in the "Profile Path" line Under the Vivadi/Help/About menu.
Tops sites stores images of pages you have visited, in order to be able to show you thumbnails of them in Speed Dial, opposite tabs, etc. It keeps these page thumbnails (and other data apparently) updated on a fairly constant basis which a) causes a lot of IO activity to the file and b) can cause the file to baloon to huge sizes on some systems. On my particular system, the two versions of Vivaldi that I use the most have Top Sites files of about 32MB apiece, which I think is a pretty reasonable size. Some users have complained their Top Sites file grew into the hundreds of megabytes. This causes real speed and performance problems for both the machine and the browser.
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Even though there was recently an update that allowed the user to drag out a tab and turn it into a new window, this feature does not work with a private window. I have a duel monitor setup and I use this feature in other browsers all the time; it's really handy when you need to look up something in a new tab and then you want to reference it in another tab. Without the ability to create a new window on the fly, you have to start one manually and copy and paste the URL or retrace links to get to the page you need.
I really like Vivaldi but this is just too much of a hassle for me to use it exclusively. I know that if it isn't added soon I'll probably just stop using Vivaldi altogether, which is too bad because it's a great browser aside from that.
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Broken dev tools / mobile emulation. Other than that, nothing
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Interesting comments. I also live in the believe that browser support was a thing of the past. Sadly I think it is too over optimistic. Several of the software partners I work with still list browser they are compatible with.
It now looks like the issue is resolved! I submitted a two requests to Pandora Support, they responded that they are not supporting Vivaldi. The issue resumed for another few weeks, where I forgot it all. This morning I downloaded the latest release of Vivaldi. Release 16.something.
Loaded Pandora.com without any problems. And yes, you can work around Pandora's location restriction with change of IP or a good VPN provider. Pandora - or your own radio station is very adjective.
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@Mogle said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
Interesting comments. I also live in the believe that browser support was a thing of the past. Sadly I think it is too over optimistic. Several of the software partners I work with still list browser they are compatible with.
There are two kinds of approach:
- Good (correct) approach. You test your website in various browsers and you list those that are compatible with it (if you wish). You try to make it available in the most popular browsers (to a reasonable extent) and cut out those that don't support some technology, by using scripts (like the aforementioned Modernizr), so that you don't have to keep up with each browser's development process, to find out whether they support some technology yet, or don't. The script takes care of allowing or disallowing browser according to their actual compatibility with your website. Though it's better to provide alternative solutions (if possible) for browsers lacking some technology instead of just banning them completely.
- Bad (incorrect) approach. You test your website in various browsers and you list those that are compatible with it, but then you make a user-agent sniffing script to allow the browsers that are on your list exclusively. This leads to a paradox where your website works correctly in an allegedly "incompatible" or "unsupported" browser, only because you didn't know about its existence at the time of making your "supported browsers list". This is a primitive approach, it served its purpose at some point, but it's unsuited for times where there are plenty of modern browsers out there.
Unfortunately, many web developers still tend to use that second method...
@Mogle said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
It now looks like the issue is resolved! I submitted a two requests to Pandora Support, they responded that they are not supporting Vivaldi. The issue resumed for another few weeks, where I forgot it all. This morning I downloaded the latest release of Vivaldi. Release 16.something.
Yeah, though I'm not sure whether they changed their method of deciding which browser to let in, or if they just added Vivaldi to their list...
@Mogle said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
Pandora - or your own radio station is very adjective.
I don't know, IMO their website looks terrible (especially the eye-unfriendly deep blue background) and there seems to be nothing that I couldn't get on Spotify (that I use most of the time currently). But that's just my opinion.
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@btabke I have a couple of extensions on Chrome, Save to Google Drive is one that don't work outside of Chrome, but I've used Vivaldi ever since bookmarklets worked, and it's so much faster than any other, just a bit slower on startup
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@mikecrews You can turn it off in Settings. Go to vivaldi://settings/tabs/ and uncheck "Detect Page Title Notifications" under "TAB DISPLAY" > "Tab Options".
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@jsfain said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
I want split screen
- Clone the page
- Select both tabs
- Tile them
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Speed: startup, opening new window and opening settings feel sluggish and quick commands are practically unusable (works fine on Linux but on Windows is literally unusable in both stable and snapshot version). Page loading is also a bit slower but tolerable.
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Bookmarks: mainly because I got used to Operas bookmarks manager with big thumbnails...when I tried to switch to Vivaldi I realized how useful is to have all bookmarks displayed in that fashion especially when you are not organizing your bookmarks so you can quickly visually scan through them and find what you are looking for.
Some small bugs like favicon not showing, picking random folder every time I want to save a bookmark.
Lack of option to quickly add bookmark to bookmarks bar (no button or option in right click context menu)
Lack of option to quickly edit address of bookmark on bookmarks bar (like right click edit) -
Download: cant quite get used to having downloads module in a sidepanel
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SpeedDial: not customizable enough
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Menu: should be more like Opera 12 menu
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