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Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Vivaldi has a Headquarter in the US
This would be sad to learn, because it would make Vivaldi subject to Us Law.
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Proton VPN is great and nice.
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"If you are a business user (anywhere in the world) or a consumer user (residing outside of the United States of America), you agree that these Terms shall be governed in all respects by the substantive laws of Switzerland"
Proton is a swiss company for what I understand. I leave the rest of the debate as I'm not even interested in using a VPN by now. -
@NetscapeNavigator As I've said those terms are really not relevant to the VPN product, they concern an entirely different product provided by a different company (subsidiary). And the jurisdiction is not dictated by the terms anyways. If the terms say they may give all your data to the US government then that doesn't automatically mean they are under US jurisdiction and legally required to follow US law.
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@16patsle As I said, that is not how our laws work. You do not get to pick and choose which office is subject to the law, anymore than anyone gets to pick which laws to follow.
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@NetscapeNavigator Interpretation of Legal terms is not easy. Are you a lawyer working in IT laws? The you can tell us more.
Risk with the VPN extension could be:
- they handle your vivaldi mail address to US Intelligence and Friends
- they are able to install a secret backdoor on their VPN servers to give local authorities & Friends access network traffic
Or what is your real concern?
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@NetscapeNavigator Vivaldi has an office (not HQ) in the US, presumably operated by a US subsidiary of Vivaldi Technologies AS. That does not mean the parent company or any of it's products are necessarily under US jurisdiction, but that again could depend on where you as a user is located and what specific laws are in question
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@16patsle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Vivaldi has an office
That would be sad to learn, because it would mean Vivaldi is subject to Us Law.
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@NetscapeNavigator That would entirely depend on what part of the company or it's products we're talking about. For instance, Vivaldi's servers in Iceland owned by the Norwegian company Vivaldi Technologies AS would not be under US jurisdiction by any explanation I've heard
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@NetscapeNavigator, as every company which will operate in another country, but that will not meean that Vivaldi US is less private. The privacy laws in the US is way worse than the one in the EU, but only says that the company have to fullfit this law, not that the company has to reach this limit if their own is a lot better. The law only can fine less conditions than the law, not better.
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@DoctorG said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Are you a lawyer working in IT laws?
I did study business law, yes, and have a degree in business management, which included the study of foreign business relations.
If you have an office in, Japan, for example, you're subject to the laws of Japan. If you have an office in, Germany, for example, you're subject to the laws of Germany. But if you have an office in the United States, your office and company are subject to the laws of the United States. Our laws are very predatorial and assiduous.
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Did this VPN update make Vivaldi v7.3 already? I thought the last version(7.2) released like a weeks ago.
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@jon So if I already use Proton VPN on my desktop and have it on all the time should I turn this on or not?
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@robbielink, if you use the desktop app (anyway better), you don't need the browser version.
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@robbielink said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
if I already use Proton VPN on my desktop and have it on all the time should I turn this on or not
No, if you use Proton on Desktop VPN you already have VPN, the extension vpn in extension bar is not needed. You can remove it by context menu.
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@NetscapeNavigator, as every company which will operate in another country, but that will not meean that Vivaldi US is less private. The privacy laws in the US is way worse than the one in the EU, but only says that the company have to fullfit this law, not that the company has to reach this limit if their own is a lot better. The law only can fine less conditions than the law, not better.
If you have an office in the United States, you can be made to comply with Us Laws and official orders. You're subject to Us Jurisdiction and all that details.
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WOW! That's a great one!
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Can the same Pooton VPN account be used outside of Vivaldi? -
Great initiative! I am a regular user of Proton Pass, Proton drive and Proton VPN. Such European partnerships should be encouraged! As I am a Proton Unlimited subscriber I use it with my own Proton credentials without any issue.
Since version 7.2, I have noticed that Vivaldi is faster than Brave, both on Android and Windows (speedometer 3). Now it just needs to integrate some filtering from ublock origins to be perfect. -
Wow these are fantastic news! Great work Vivaldi team, and thank you for this easy to use functionality!
