Fading of Videos on Mouseover

Pathduck

@Pesala Yes, I do get it there:

But I believe this is the JS player they use, this is not controlled by Vivaldi. In fact if you right-click you will see references to this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/65db5af7-1ec1-4ba5-9f09-4f3c5f632b03

For the "older" video I posted earlier, it seems they use a more regular HTML video embed, but I'm sure there's some JS involved for the controls etc, because it's not similar to the straight video embed on the TekEye site:

<video webkit-playsinline="" playsinline="" preload="auto" tabindex="-1" id="p_v_player_0" aria-hidden="true" class="p_transform" style="left: 0px;" title="Weather Bulletin: UK, Weather: weather_uk.mxf" src="blob:https://emp.bbc.co.uk/b734100a-500c-49fb-a20e-13fde2537031"></video>

So you'll need to take that one up with Auntie B

But I do agree on the Vivaldi PiP player.

Pesala

@Pathduck said in Fading of Videos on Mouseover:

So you'll need to take that one up with Auntie B

I see that other users already complained about the issue. This was the reply:

I’m Oli, manager of the media player. Thanks for the compliment and for raising an interesting question, here's some of the reasoning:
To allow the player to be used in multiple locations across the BBC, it needs to be self-contained. Having the UI incorporated into the playback window evolved from a much earlier BBC player and has become an industry standard since.
The layout of our new UI layer now flexes across the spectrum of screen sizes & devices it needs to serve. This optimises for mobile web as well as larger desktop screens, and across different inputs (mouse/touch/keyboard/screen readers).
We agree that the video is the most important thing. This is why the interface only appears when our audience needs to engage with it.

I made a few comments myself.

Pathduck

@Pesala Haha, typical boilerplate response, where do they train these "managers"

This is why the interface only appears when our audience needs to engage with it.

Completely misses the point

Oh and I think I can guess which one's your response

7twenty

Man has this been bugging me since they started doing it. There's been a few other threads about this over the years as well.

I think the need to ensure that mobile devices are also covered by the UI elements is in part why this has become common. Youtube on mobile does the same.

Annoying for those that aren't using mobile devices though when you have to put up with stupid obscuring of the video. Sites are so bloated already, i fail to see how a little bit of extra code to determine if it's a mobile device or not to show a different UI would make that much of a difference.

Even for a mobile device, why can't they just have a gradient across the bottom and the large buttons there??

Unfortunately because PiP seems to be solely based on chromium code I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

@Pathduck said in Fading of Videos on Mouseover:

Possibly a better example:
https://tekeye.uk/html/html5-video-test-page
This is just straight HTML5 video embed, using the built-in browser player. I really don't know why they didn't just use that as an example how the PiP player should look.

And that is the most annoying thing about it - the so called designers can't come up with a decent idea to make this work for everyone, even though someone has already done the hard work to show it can be done.

Those test vids on that site are great. No obfuscation of the video, decent size buttons for fingers/mobile devices. Even if they increase the size it's still 1000x better than the rubbish that's being put out these days.

sphera

It is necessary to connect 2 theme for Android, depending on which of them the developers will get to first.

Pesala

I stopped using the BBC website altogether due to its bias.

The Met Office video player doesn’t fade on mouseover, except of course if using the PiP video player window.

barbudo2005

@Pesala

Just out of curiosity, which way is the bias of BBC?

Pesala

@barbudo2005 said in Fading of Videos on Mouseover:

Just out of curiosity, which way is the bias of BBC?

I don’t want to start a debate here as it is not the right place, but this recent topic on 𝕏 will give you some info on how the BBC is funded, and is not an independent news organisation.

Most of the funding comes from the current UK government, of course, so it is not free to criticise government policy.

As always, do your own research, and make up your own mind.

barbudo2005

@Pesala

Thank you. The topic allowed me to understand the bias you suggested.

There is nothing better to get to know the reality of a country than to do it through a citizen.

ugly

@Pesala said in Fading of Videos on Mouseover:

@barbudo2005 said in Fading of Videos on Mouseover:

Just out of curiosity, which way is the bias of BBC?

I don’t want to start a debate here as it is not the right place, but this recent topic on 𝕏 will give you some info on how the BBC is funded, and is not an independent news organisation.

Most of the funding comes from the current UK government, of course, so it is not free to criticise government policy.

As always, do your own research, and make up your own mind.

It is fair to criticize a news outlet. But you should probably do it without pointing to insane ramblings from an ideologue that incorporates the latest reactionary responses. If people find that kind of content convincing, then we're in trouble.

LonM

This is getting off-topic now, so I am going to lock this thread. If anyone wants to discuss conspiracies there are better places to do so than on a tech support forum.