07/12/24 | Sync Doesn't Work

[Ayespy]

@Cretec How does a "cloud" save you in the event that your (because of the software they are running) servers and software (because of substantial refactoring) cannot properly deal with load balancing? What? You just shift to different servers running the same broken software? you roll back to earlier (slower, less capable software which is no longer compatible with your refactored software?) A cloud is not magical. It can replicate a working version and pick up where an outage left off. It cannot fix a broken version running on the wrong hardware for it.

[Catweazle]

@Cretec, yes, but OpenSource in what? There is nothing in the Brave Source which may interest Google or Microsoft (its adblocker? LOL), not so with Vivaldi's proprietary source. All other is the FOSS Chromium, little more in Brave as the Chromium as is (gutted Google APIs same as in Vivaldi and even EDGE (but with own MS tracking crap)).

[Osiris75]

@Catweazle There is nothing in Vivaldi that either M$ or Google would want either. Many features, Edge already has and Google focuses on more clean interface.

[Ayespy]

@Osiris75 Vivaldi is not trying to capture users who know no better than to use Brave. It it "a browser for our friends" - ie, one that does or improves on Opera 10/12 functions, honors user privacy, and provides a vibrant community. It does not seek to compete in the same marketplace as the "big guys." It seeks to serve a particular, and discerning base. To retain users that can't cope with its conformability and features, it offers limited versions. But it exists for its conformability and features, not to be a browser "dumb enough for anyone to use." The Team do their best to keep everything up and running per normal, while fixing 30 to 60 bugs a day, while developing the features that were always a part of Vivaldi's natal vision.

[Catweazle]

@Osiris75, there are some features in EDGE similar, but only this, way from beeing forks. Google only interest a clean interface in Chrome? LOL. In Vivaldi you can have an UI than clean or so complicated as you want, in Chrome you have the interface which Google want, yes or yes.

[Cretec]

@Ayespy I thought we were done with this.

If setup properly, the sync system into multiple regions / pods and have proper rollbacks. You would be able to partition the data and load as to if one what having issues due to high load, hardware failure, etc. to be able to limit those who are down to that group, versus everyone. There is no silver-bullet to bad or broken software, but you can limit its impact when something does go wrong. In a case like what this scenario "seems" to be, instead of refactoring for the entire user base, it would have been reduced and would have made this likely easier and also allowed to bring up another pod to move users over to or spread them to multiple pods. Then you just need a system in front, routing the user sync. It makes everything more portable and is not actually a huge uplift in costs. It provides a much more organic path for growth as well, versus trying to scale a more monolithic system.

Again, this is all based on the limited information (which I am not saying it should not be limited at this time). In the end, all we know is what they had was not enough or built in a way to handle whatever happened.

I have no doubt that they will figure a way to reduce the chances of this happening again. Currently, they are where they are and the only thing they can do is work to get it working. Only after that, can they see what measures to take. I learned my lesson the hard way, long ago.

[Ayespy]

@Himmelssheriff1999 said in 07/12/24 | Sync Doesn't Work:

Well, they have no outside investments (why not?), they are a small team (why not bigger?), ok. But shouldn't they deliver nevertheless? So does the Kibbuz and if it doesn't nobody cares for its fruits and vegetables.

Because outside investors ruined the Opera model and then sold it to the Chinese. Jon swore off outside investors after that.

Because the size of team is what the company income can support. And this will grow slowly, because Vivaldi will never monetize user data as essentially all other browsers do, and Vivaldi will never dumb down the browser to attract "the masses."

The big browsers exist solely to funnel profits to their owners. Vivaldi exists to serve an "orphan" need of web users. It has to have income not to close down, but it will never trade on user privacy for that income.

[Osiris75]

@Catweazle Yes, Chrome is a much more minimalist interface. Never did I say you couldn't do that in Vivaldi. You forget, there is a reason I use Vivaldi and want it to succeed. You seem to think I am anti-Vivaldi. Just because I can acknowledge the warts I see and all you want to see is the good, doesn't mean they do not exist.

Anyway, this whole discussion is derailing from what this thread is, so @Ayespy @Catweazle @DoctorG I do respect your opinion, and we should just agree to disagree before taking this thread further down the rabbit hole. I apologize for my part in that.

[Cretec]

@Osiris75 Same. I keep telling myself to not get caught up in the things that do not ultimately matter in this thread. I need to stop. Serves no purpose here and is not going to change the current situation. Vivaldi is a great company that I do have respect for. Which is why I also get caught up in this stuff.

[yngve]

@Himmelssheriff1999 said in 07/12/24 | Sync Doesn't Work:

they have no outside investments (why not?)

Jon owns the overall majority of the shares in the company and has been funding it.

He do not want any external investors due to the way that caused problems at Opera.

@Himmelssheriff1999 said in 07/12/24 | Sync Doesn't Work:

they are a small team (why not bigger?)

Because we have to be paid, and that costs money, as we don't get sufficient revenue from the current deals that limits flexibility. And one reason is what Jon posted about recently. More background.

[Catweazle]

@Osiris75, agree with this, if you don't want to use Vivaldi, you were not here in the forum. Now we have this annoying syncthing which is reason to criticsm from those which need it, but this has nothing to do with the quality Vivaldi has, with services and feature that nobody else has with a browsr, an Userblog, Mail and Mailclient, feed reader, calendar, Mastodon and Pixelfed with the account apart uf the community it has with the participation of the team and even Jon, regular blogposts from the devs and more. Apart the ONLY EU browser which, despite be indi with few % marketshare is on eye level witj the big global US players in the media.

[Osiris75]

@Catweazle Agreed. It is just frustrating, and I think we all let it get the best of us sometimes. Have a good day!!

[yngve]

@c64lover said in 07/12/24 | Sync Doesn't Work:

Is there a way to see bookmarks on the Web by logging to account

Sorry, no, and it won't be possible with Sync, since all the data are encrypted with your key (and making a service that lets users view those record on a website would require entering the encryption password in a web page, which would completely wreck the security of the synced data; we are not supposed to know the encryption password, ever!).

The reason that is possible today in Chrome is that it does not encrypt the bookmark sync data.

[Catweazle]

@yngve, are ther some incommings comissions from the car brands which has incorporated Vivaldi in their cars.

[vdeane]

Sigh... another day, still no sync. Not even a status update, which we haven't gotten since Tuesday. Any idea how to do a "manual sync" so I can get my travel laptop caught up with my desktop? I'm going to be traveling a need full access to my bookmarks and whatnot, and also want to minimize the damage that gets done from everything being out of sync so long when sync turns back on. This is when I needed sync to be back online by, and it isn't.

[intersk]

@vdeane

[Ayespy]

@vdeane You can copy the bookmarks, cookies and history files from your desktop to laptop. To transfer passwords, you have to export and then import them.

[vdeane]

@intersk I backup my bookmarks regularly that way, but it has a key problem: when imported, the favicons are gone. Plus it basically creates new bookmarks when opened, which makes me worry that everything would be duplicated if/when sync is restored.

@Ayespy Where are those files? I looked in /home/[username]/.local and didn't see anything related to Vivaldi.

[Ayespy]

@vdeane Then transfer the favicons file as well.

[Ayespy]

@Ayespy What kind of system are you on? That is not a Windows directory structure.