Better tracker needed

WildEnte

@barbudo2005 is it really necessary to say that? Doesn't help the forum culture, I don't see who gains anything from such comments. Why not just shrug and close the tab and move on...

barbudo2005

@Granite1

For the simple reason that the extensions accompany the browser in achieving a goal, and of course nothing else is achieved by incorporating them ‘inside’ Vivaldi.

WildEnte

@Granite1 said in Better tracker needed:

why does my request not make sense??

I see it as a matter of priority. Things that can easily be achieved with a very well maintained extension to add extra capabilities for a select few (for the vast majority, the built in functionality is often enough) is not a good way to spend resources. Those should go to things that cannot easily be achieved with extensions, or where extensions make the browser more cumbersome. Everyone has their own reasons to assign weight to something or not.

barbudo2005

@WildEnte

Said:

I see it as a matter of priority.

You have missed the point.

We are not talking about resources here.

The team defines which features are incorporated and which are not because they are well served by an extension.

Here we are talking about the advantages for the user to put inside Vivaldi an extension like Adguard or uBO as many have asked before.

It would not have any benefit!!!

And we'd better not talk about the licensing issues and the huge work involved in incorporating it every time Vivaldi is updated on its different platforms.

WildEnte

@barbudo2005 it's beyond any doubt that having a superior ad blocker integrated in the browser would be a great advantage in the market. If there were no fantastic extensions out there, they'd implement one. Since there are fantastic extensions, it is indeed a matter of resources. Look at Brave, their entire product positioning and raison d'être is their ad blocking (actually: ad serving) concept.

@barbudo2005 said in Better tracker needed:

We are not talking about resources here.
[...]
And we'd better not talk about [...] the huge work involved in incorporating it

So ... I think we are talking about resources and priorities .

The team said that they are working on continuously improving the implemented ad blocker but for the reasons you mention (= I agree with you) and maybe more they don't or can't just integrate some extension, in particular when that extension works great as it is.

Granite1

@barbudo2005 said:

nothing else is achieved by incorporating them ‘inside’ Vivaldi.

I don't agree. Vivaldi claims to have a good built-in Ad and Tracker blocker. I have shown that the blocker does not work against a very common tracking URL suffix.

So, in order to improve the situation there are 2 possibilities:

improve the built-in tool, which will take time and resources, if the chief dev is even prepared to spend those resources, or
use an off-the-shelf 1st rate free extension, which will take virtually no time and resources to incorporate in Vivaldi.

WildEnte

@Granite1 said in Better tracker needed:

use an off-the-shelf 1st rate free extension, which will take virtually no time and resources to incorporate in Vivaldi.

and that is an incorrect assumption, it will require significant resources. Just use the readily available extension.

edwardp

Vivaldi doesn't support the use of outside extensions. If someone wants to install and use one, they do so at their own risk.

barbudo2005

@Granite1

Said:

…...incorporate in Vivaldi.

Understand this at once.

When you click this button you are "incorporating" the extension in Vivaldi.

Granite1

@WildEnte said:

and that is an incorrect assumption, it will require significant resources. Just use the readily available extension.

If I can add an extension from the Chrome Web Store by clicking that blue button Add to Vivaldi, why can't the dev do the same before releasing a new version of the browser?

I know that in practice it makes no difference whether I or the dev add it, but if it is an add-on to the browser, at least the claim of good ad and tracker blocking capabilities are true, based on facts, which what Adguard's reputation is based on.

As it stands today, we don't know much about the Vivaldi blocker other than that it uses the EasyPrivacy list. What I discovered is that the blocker does a far from good job with 1 particular type of ubiquitous tracker – for me that is cause for concern because that situation may also apply to the rest of the blocker's functionality.

I have disabled Vivaldi's blocker and have installed Adguard.

Now, it is no skin off my nose to have installed the extension myself, nor that Vivaldi ships with a so-so blocker.

My FR is meant as a small improvement to the browser. It is up to the dev to run with it or reject it – again, no skin off my nose either way.

Granite1

@barbudo2005 said:

When you click this button you are "incorporating" the extension in Vivaldi.

So?

Granite1

@edwardp said in [Better tracker needed](/post/785081:

Vivaldi doesn't support the use of outside extensions. If someone wants to install and use one, they do so at their own risk.

Fair enough. That does not take away that IMHO Vivaldi's blocker capability needs improvement, however the powers-that-be want to achieve it.

iAN CooG

@Granite1 said in Better tracker needed:

why can't the dev do the same

Because the extensions owners wants to be paid if their software is used commercially, and Vivaldi can't pay anyone if they have no returns, and don't want the burden to maintain that extension - once the extension is part of Vivaldi, Vivaldi has to maintain the code for any bug and improvement.
You instead can install any extensions for free and at your risk.

Granite1

@iAN-CooG said:

Because the extensions owners wants to be paid if their software is used commercially

The keyword in that phrase is IF. Vivaldi is not a commercial browser, so the condition you mention is not applicable.

@iAN-CooG said:

You instead can install any extensions for free and at your risk.

I am fully aware of that, and I mentioned elsewhere on this page that I have installed Adguard and disabled Vivaldi's ad/tracker blocker

WildEnte

@Granite1 said in Better tracker needed:

The keyword in that phrase is IF. Vivaldi is not a commercial browser

Of course it is. It's a for profit company. You just happen to pay with attention (by using the default bookmarks and search engines) which leads to those partners that benefit from your attention pay Vivaldi.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/

Granite1

@edwardp or @WildEnte Please close/archive/delete this Feature Request (or ask the right person to do so) because the devs won't consider it. There is no need to have it sitting there idle polluting the FR list.

Granite1

@WildEnte said:

It's a for profit company.

Oops, my stupidity, thanks for correcting me and providing the link, I had never seen that page.

That page has also made me realize that the search engine I installed myself, Brave Search, unfortunately is not in the list of Vivaldi's partners. So, I will switch to 1 of those.

Note my previous comment to you and edwardp about stopping this FR.

WildEnte

@Granite1 thanks for supporting Vivaldi!

iAN CooG

@Granite1 said in Better tracker needed:

Vivaldi is not a commercial browser

You are a very confused person, I'm not wasting any more time in here.

Granite1

@iAN-CooG said:

You are a very confused person

Yes, I was, and if you would have bothered to read the whole thread you would have noticed I admitted it.

@iAN-CooG said:

I'm not wasting any more time in here

I did not ask you to comment, nor did anyone else. Have a nice day.