Mail and bookmark bars: switch positions or hide bookmark bar

[Pesala]

@luminouslemon said in Mail bar should be below bookmarks bar:

I think so, since the address bar is not needed in the mail window... but then neither is the bookmarks bar really.

I don't see why not. When composing an email, why would one not wish to copy a bookmark URL or open a new tab? If you want to send a URL or copy some text from a webpage to included in the mail. When composing a forum reply, the bookmark bar is also useful, just as it would be when writing an email message.

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[luminouslemon]

@Pesala Obviously both options would be great as everyone has their own use cases, although I would have no issue with the bookmark bar being there all the time and no way to turn it off.

I've only just come into Vivaldi Mail after the beta launch, so used to using a separate email app up to now. I'm providing as much feedback as I can to help make the product better. It's still a little away from me ditching the email app at the moment.

[StefanBF]

I totally agree with this proposal. If I am in the mail function, I definitely do not need bookmarks. in the current position. It would be best if the bookmark tab in mail could be completely suppressed.

[freecicero]

This feature request making any progress? The comment below is exactly on point and indicates a significant oversight - no way a bookmark bar user would ever have designed this way. Please keep this feature request in mind and implement asap!

@luminouslemon said in Mail and bookmark bars: switch positions or hide bookmark bar:

What this tells me is that the developers who created Mail, overall don't use the bookmarks bar, otherwise this wouldn't have come out of the wash so to speak. For me the bookmarks bar just works so much faster than a tiled start page.

[mib2berlin]

@freecicero
Hi, with 4 user votes in 1 1/2 Years I would not wait for it.
If the developer take it, it is marked as "Pipeline", if they work on it as "In Progress".
There are 5000+ feature requests at moment.

Cheers, mib

[cicerosc]

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[heymtj]

@mib2berlin Is the way to upvote these just to click the thumbs up button on the first post? Or is there another upvote system I'm missing?

[mib2berlin]

@heymtj
Hi and yes, it's the only way to vote, give it a like.

Cheers, mib

[4s34s0ns]

@luminouslemon said in Mail and bookmark bars: switch positions or hide bookmark bar:

I'm can't quite workout the logic of this one, but why is the mail bar above the bookmarks bar? It actually took me a while to find the search, reply forward buttons as the mail bar is below the address bar but above the bookmark's bar (I'm so used to viewing what is in a browser window below the bookmark bar. The last thing I want to do when in Mail is click a bookmark, the search bar and reply/ forward buttons should be directly above the account list and email list.

Of course, you are spot on. I don't know why this is such a low priority for Vivaldi. Looking for a solution to this, I've even seen messages where people, like me, could not find the mail search function because it is hard to see hiding above the bookmarks.

btw. my solution, for now, is to put the bookmarks on the bottom of the Window.

[Sordid]

I just want to add myself to those put off by this oversight. I also don't want to remove, move, or autohide the bookmarks bar. I just want it to always appear in the browser, where it makes sense, and I don't want to see it at all in the mail client where it makes no sense and where it severely disrupts the flow of the client and puts me off using it.

[WildEnte]

@Sordid said in Mail and bookmark bars: switch positions or hide bookmark bar:

I just want it to always appear in the browser, where it makes sense, and I don't want to see it at all in the mail client where it makes no sense

The CSS code posted previously gives you 90%.

Anyway, for the record the logged bug number in the bug tracker is VB-74608, confirmed, not assigned.

[Sordid]

Personally, this doesn't work. It kinda glitches with the address bar, and it's finicky enough even if it didn't look botched imo.

Besides, I don't I'm not a fan of the autohide behavior. I want the bookmarks bar visible so I don't have to guess and readjust where a bookmark is. I appreciate the team's hard work and that the issue is on the docket somewhere even if it isn't a priority.

[Sordid]

For what it's worth, I have tinkered with CSS (which I barely know) and made the blurb that seems to work how I like it. That is, it hides the bookmarks bar when in mail without auto hide/show behavior.

.mainbar:has(.toolbar-mailbar.toolbar-visible)~.bookmark-bar {
  margin-bottom: -30px !important;
  visibility: hidden !important;
}

[ubername]

I am a bit bemused by all this. The obvious answer is to attach the mail controls to the mail tab, just as the calendar controls are attached to the calendar tab. The address bar and the bookmarks bars are universal. They should be shown or not according to user choice on all tabs / windows or no tabs / windows. The mail toolbar is specific to the mail tab and so should appear (or not, I guess but why wouldn't you?) whenever the mail tab is accessed, irrespective of the user's preferences regarding address and bookmark bars. It is a category error to lump the mail bar behaviour in with the behaviours of the address bar and bookmarks bar. It fits much more naturally into the category of Calendar controls. I appreciate this might be tricky to implement because the error was made at a design stage and would consequently need a significant rewrite, but that shows the importance of good design rather than being a justification for the current behaviour. (And besides, it feels a bit icky having to hit the mail control buttons above my bookmarks!) (Or, I suppose a workaround would be to make the position of all bars customisable. That would probably be the best solution as it might futureproof the addition of other functionality but harder(?) to implement. And would then require some decision regarding the calendar controls to be taken. So its a rock and a hard place.)

[smuchnick]

Adding my voice to the chorus here - Vivaldi team should address this obvious oversight. The webmail tab is generally quite useful, but having to scan up and down to the mail bar with the bookmark bar wedged in between definitely degrades the experience.

[Bolk]

This is the only reason not to use email in Vivaldi for me. Can't believe this is still an issue tbh.

[Pesala]

@Bolk With just 14 upvotes after 3 years and 8 months, it is clearly not an issue that bothers many users.

The number of votes is just one factor among many that determine whether or not an issue gets addressed. Much more import are:

• How much work it would take
• Is Team Member available to take it on

With 648 feature requests for Mail, and lots of bugs, the small Vivaldi Team may not give it a high priority.

After years of use, I never find it an issue. Having the bookmarks bar in the mail window is sometimes useful to me, and its position is irrelevant.

[lorask]

@Pesala i wish this were a priority. It really is a pain point.

[jugami]

@Sordid thank you for this code!