How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?

DoctorG

@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

This feature should be implemented in Vivaldi, end of story!

I hope that will come.

electryon

@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@luetage said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland You can do this with the devtools element picker. Find the element selector, write the rule, save it to file. It’s not noob friendly, but the feature is there.

@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland

Follow @luetage suggestion and use the extension Stylus:

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland
For removing elements I am using Violentmonkey.
Not as easy as uBO emelent picker, but more powerful.

Have you guys ever actually used uBlock's element picker? It's way more easy than Stylus and Violentmonkey so not comparable at all. This feature should be implemented in Vivaldi, end of story!

Yes, we have tried uBO's element picker.
But there is nothing more powerful than using a userscript for that. With a script you can do stuff you can't with an element picker, like hiding an element, not only removing it, change styles to it, the dimensions of it, use regex to hide elements with idiotic ids that change all the time, select to keep only some elements in a page and hide the rest.
Element pickers are for newbies Vivaldi is for power users. I am joking, don't get me wrong, it would be nice if they add an element picker, but even if they don't, we still can do it with a userscript manager.

barbudo2005

@electryon

Said:

But there is nothing more powerful than using a userscript for that.

It is true that you can inject CSS with a JS script, without any problem.

But you will agree with me, that the handling of various styles, ease of use, editing the CSS code with CSS Linter, not applying to certain subdomains, turn all styles off, etc, etc, etc, etc. is much better with the Stylus extension that was designed specifically for that.

electryon

@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon

Said:

But there is nothing more powerful than using a userscript for that.

It is true that you can inject CSS with a JS script, without any problem.

But you will agree with me, that the handling of various styles, ease of use, editing the CSS code with CSS Linter, not applying to certain subdomains, turn all styles off, etc, etc, etc, etc. is much better with the Stylus extension that was designed specifically for that.

You are right, but it also has to do with user's experience.
If it takes me to do it let's say 30 seconds in Stylus, it takes me 45 seconds in Violentmonkey.
Because I have existing templates to use that take care of subdomains etc. I do agree it's not for everybody.
Btw, with uBO's style element pickers you can't even hide someting just to a specific subdomain.
It has to be applied to the whole domain.

Catweazle

@electryon, with the WebEraser script it cost me an Ctrl+Left click to eliminate any crap from the page.

electryon

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon, with the WebEraser script it cost me an Ctrl+Left click to eliminate any crap from the page.

Thank you Catweazle I didn't know about this script.
I will check it out.

RasheedHolland

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

Yes, we have tried uBO's element picker. But there is nothing more powerful than using a userscript for that. With a script you can do stuff you can't with an element picker, like hiding an element, not only removing it, change styles to it.

Yes, I'm sure you can do other stuff with these user scripts, but uBlock's element picker gets the job done in a second or so. Although I do have to admit that it can not remove everything. But using Stylus and Violentmonkey is not a serious option for me.

RasheedHolland

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon, with the WebEraser script it cost me an Ctrl+Left click to eliminate any crap from the page.

Thank you Catweazle I didn't know about this script.
I will check it out.

BTW, would you be able to get rid of the annoying ''failed to load script'' error on Yahoo Finance? You get to see this when you block scripts from brightcove.net via uBlock Origin. I block it because you will get to see these annoying autoplay videos, and Yahoo Finance refuses to take them down.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/HD/

Catweazle

@RasheedHolland, I don't see any nags of these in this page, using only the Vivaldi Blocker

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RasheedHolland

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland, I don't see any nags of these in this page, using only the Vivaldi Blocker.

You should click on the ''Back to classic Yahoo! Finance'' button in the top right corner, then you should see the autoplay videos, when you scroll down. I use Yahoo Finance Classic, because the new design sucks. You will see this error message on this link too (when you block brightcove.net):

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BTC-USD/?p=BTC-USD&.tsrc=fin-srch

Catweazle

@RasheedHolland, yes, I see an "Related Video", but as said I can't block specific directions like brightcove with the Vivaldi blocker, but I can delete all with the WebEraser script without any error messages

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electryon

@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon, with the WebEraser script it cost me an Ctrl+Left click to eliminate any crap from the page.

Thank you Catweazle I didn't know about this script.
I will check it out.

BTW, would you be able to get rid of the annoying ''failed to load script'' error on Yahoo Finance? You get to see this when you block scripts from brightcove.net via uBlock Origin. I block it because you will get to see these annoying autoplay videos, and Yahoo Finance refuses to take them down.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/HD/

You want to remove the videos from the site?
This seem to work for me, I am not visiting the site, so I am not 100% sure.
This will remove these videos, the site seems to also have youtube videos, I haven't removed them, but they can also be removed with the iframe.
Tested in Tampermonkey MV3.

// ==UserScript==
// @name        test
// @run-at      document-start
// @grant       GM_addStyle
// @match       *://finance.yahoo.com/*
// ==/UserScript==

var path = document.location.hostname;

if (path === 'finance.yahoo.com') {
    GM_addStyle('div[id$="-QuoteVideo"] {display: none !important;}');
};

RasheedHolland

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland, yes, I see an "Related Video", but as said I can't block specific directions like brightcove with the Vivaldi blocker, but I can delete all with the WebEraser script without any error messages.

Yes, but in the screenshot it looks like you have erased the whole page? I think you still don't understand me, or you simly don't see the autoplay videos, I will post a screenshot.

RasheedHolland

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@electryon, with the WebEraser script it cost me an Ctrl+Left click to eliminate any crap from the page.

Thank you Catweazle I didn't know about this script.
I will check it out.

BTW, would you be able to get rid of the annoying ''failed to load script'' error on Yahoo Finance? You get to see this when you block scripts from brightcove.net via uBlock Origin. I block it because you will get to see these annoying autoplay videos, and Yahoo Finance refuses to take them down.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/HD/

You want to remove the videos from the site?
This seem to work for me, I am not visiting the site, so I am not 100% sure. This will remove these videos, the site seems to also have youtube videos, I haven't removed them, but they can also be removed with the iframe. Tested in Tampermonkey MV3.

To clarify, uBlock's element picker will let me remove those annoying little autoplay videos on Yahoo Finance, but then I will get to see an ugly script error in Vivaldi 6.1, so I would like to get rid of this too, see screenshot.

Catweazle

@RasheedHolland, the error is because, maybe, that this video is fixed referred part of the page element selected (Video related). If you delete the video the rest of this part point to the deleted video, which lead to the error. Because of this the WebEraser script only pemits to delete the upper part with the graphic or both selecting the video.
This means that the script takes into account the relationships between elements, avoiding errors, which the uBO element picker does not do.
Nothing you can do al respect, or the error message or deleting all.

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RasheedHolland

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland, the error is because, maybe, that this video is fixed referred part of the page element selected (Video related). If you delete the video the rest of this part point to the deleted video, which lead to the error. Because of this the WebEraser script only pemits to delete the upper part with the graphic or both selecting the video.
This means that the script takes into account the relationships between elements, avoiding errors, which the uBO element picker does not do.
Nothing you can do al respect, or the error message or deleting all.

Never mind, seems like you get to see some other video on this page. I'm talking about the small videos, but apparently you don't see them. Also, I just noticed that for whatever reason, I don't get to see the script error in Viv 6.8, so seems to be some type of weird problem on Viv 6.1. But anyway, this is all off topic, so I will stop.

RasheedHolland

Back to the topic, why doesn't Vivaldi take the same approach as Brave? I think Vivaldi should clearly state that it will keep supporting MV2 extensions like uBlock, for as long as the developer keeps supporting MV2 versions. And I would also like to hear about when Vivaldi will improve its rather basic adblocker.

https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

DoctorG

@RasheedHolland Means that Brave will support some older v2 extensions, but not all.

RasheedHolland

@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland Means that Brave will support some older v2 extensions, but not all.

No correct, you can't support them all, but let's face it, we're only worried about adblockers, since they are going to be crippled.

Catweazle

Today I found my Userscript Manager empty. Apparently Google has updated the Sscript Manager to v3 and these no longer allow installing scripts such as Redirect Embeded and Web Eraser, which were deleted from my extension, same with the other script manager in the store, therefore I have installed the scripts for the moment as extensions directly and uninstalled the Userscript Manager.
I prefer not to say anything about Google that is on my mind, because I would surely be banned from the forum.