How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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I'm using the below email I received from the team at Simkl as an example. As you can see they are letting peeps know extensions on Manifest 2 will no longer be supported under Manifest 3 very soon. I would like to know how this is going to affect Vivaldi and extensions in it?
Chrome will disable all Manifest V2 extensions this month. Please update. 🚀 All Simkl's Chrome Extensions were completely rewritten to support the new Manifest V3. We’re excited to announce that our Simkl Netflix & Crunchyroll Enhancer extension has just been updated! To ensure you continue enjoying the best streaming experience, please download the latest version now at https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/enhancer-for-netflix-crun/dbpjfmehfpcgmlpfnfilcnhbckmecmca. What's New in v8: Complete Rewrite for Manifest V3: Rebuilt from scratch to support Manifest V3, ensuring the extension keeps working as Chrome phases out Manifest V2. Extra Permission Checks: After updating from v7, click the extension icon. Open the settings popup. Click the " Fix the extension permissions" button to upgrade to the new Chrome Manifest V3 permission model. If you run into issues, toggle the Netflix or Crunchyroll export watch history to Simkl OFF and ON or hit the "Check Now" button to start the sync or Re-install the extension. Netflix Profile Selection Fix: Updated to align with Netflix's new HTML code. Simkl and IMDB Ratings Fix: Fixed display issues with Simkl and IMDB ratings. Added ratings when opening a movie or show via direct link. Updated IMDB icon to the new logo. Crunchyroll User Profiles Support: Added support for the new user profile selection feature. Permissions Fix Button: Implemented a detection system and a button to fix permissions after using browser cleaning tools. How to Update: Visit the extension store and download the latest version of the Simkl Netflix & Crunchyroll Enhancer extension (V8.0.2). Follow the steps in the "Extra Permission Checks" section to ensure a smooth upgrade. 🌟 We’re committed to providing you with the best streaming experience possible. If you have any questions or encounter any issues, our support team is here to help, simply reply to this email or ask on our Discord server. Cheers, The Simkl Dev Team ~~~ -
@CummingCowGirl same as the others, v2 extensions will be flagged as obsolete and one day will stop to work.
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Seems like Brave has now also given information on how they will handle MV3, and I feel like this is the exact same thing that Vivaldi should do, any opinions?
Nobody believes that Brave will handle this better than Vivaldi, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding?
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@RasheedHolland. no, you haven't misunderstood, everyone faces the same problems. Mv2 extensions will no longer be useful next year.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland. no, you haven't misunderstood, everyone faces the same problems. Mv2 extensions will no longer be useful next year.
Yes, I understand, but seems like Brave is making more of an effort to keep supporting MV2 extensions. This is especially important when it comes to adblockers like uBlock Origin which will be crippled by MV3. And currently Vivaldi's adblocker is way too basic.
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@RasheedHolland, as said before, also Vivaldi support as long as possible Mv2, but this isn't the problem when Mv2 adblocker won't work anymore. This mean, also if Vivaldi, Brave or any other browser can use Mv2 adblockers, like uBO, it will be meaningless when in the next year they can't block ads anymore. Is than when the inbuild Vivaldi blocker become relevance, more if it get improvements until then.
Anyway I recommend to instal an userscript manager, because with the userscripts from OpenuserJS, Greasyfork or own ones, can aleviate a lot of upcomming problems with Mv3 extensions.>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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This mean, also if Vivaldi, Brave or any other browser can use Mv2 adblockers, like uBO, it will be meaningless when in the next year they can't block ads anymore.
Why do you say that they will not be able to block ads, if the browser maintains MV2?
On what basis do you say that? Where did you read it?
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@barbudo2005 Yea sounds like they're contradicting themselves.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, as said before, also Vivaldi support as long as possible Mv2, but this isn't the problem when Mv2 adblocker won't work anymore. This mean, also if Vivaldi, Brave or any other browser can use Mv2 adblockers, like uBO, it will be meaningless when in the next year they can't block ads anymore. Is than when the inbuild Vivaldi blocker become relevance, more if it get improvements until then.
I understood it differently, the point is that as long as browsers like Brave and Vivaldi keep supporting MV2, then adblockers like uBlock Origin will continue to work. The only problem is that you will probably need to download them via some other website, since I assume Google will disable/block MV2 extensions on the Chrome Web Store.
In other words, Vivaldi should make more of an effort to continue to support MV2, or they should implement ALL of the features of uBlock Origin in the built-in adblocker. But in the last few months I barely saw any major improvements in Vivaldi's adblocker. I especially miss uBlock's element picker. With this you can remove annoying stuff on demand.
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@RasheedHolland You can do this with the devtools element picker. Find the element selector, write the rule, save it to file. It’s not noob friendly, but the feature is there.
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Follow @luetage suggestion and use the extension Stylus:
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
For months now, I have been moving my selectors from uBO to Stylus.
Examples:
/*GENERIC*/ [class*= "bann"], [class*= "branded"], [class*= "magazine"], [class*= "suscriptor"], [class*= "story_links"], [class*= "social"], /* Including "*" in the selector will select all those containing the term in quotation marks. */ /*SPECIFIC*/ [class="btn btn-main"] -
A list of generic selectors to remove parts of sites you are not interested in viewing.
[class *= "adsbygoogle"], [class *= "aside"], [class *= "autor"], [class *= "autora"], [class *= "banners"], [class *= "cabecera"], [class *= "col__sidebar"], [class *= "col-derecha"], [class *= "column-left"], [class *= "column-right"], [class *= "copyright"], [class *= "coupons"], [class *= "desktop-nav"], [class *= "editors"], [class *= "extra-footer"], [class *= "embedded"], [class *= "family"], [class *= "footer"], [class *= "footnote"], [class *= "header_top"], [class *= "header-primary"], [class *= "labels"], [class *= "legal"], [class *= "masthead"], [class *= "navbar"], [class *= "nav-bar"], [class *= "navigator"], [class *= "nudge"], [class *= "post-sidebar"], [class *= "promo"], [class *= "related"], [class *= "right-most"], [class *= "services"], [class *= "scroll"], [class *= "share"], [class *= "Shared"], [class *= "sharing"], [class *= "sidebar-main"], [class *= "sidebar-content"], [class *= "sidebar-part"], [class *= "sidebar.section"], [class *= "small.left"], [class *= "small-sidebar"], [class *= "social"], [class *= "topbar"], [class *= "trend"], [class *= "widget-area"], [id *= "access"], [id *= "aside"], [id *= "cabecera"], [id *= "column-left"], [id *= "column-left-inner"], [id *= "column-right"], [id *= "column-right-inner"], [id *= "comments"], [id *= "comentario"], [id *= "favicons"], [id *= "feedback"], [id *= "features"], [id *= "footnote"], [id *= "footer"], [id *= "Form1"], [id *= "google_ads"], [id *= "google-ads"], [id *= "googleads"], [id *= "masonry"], [id *= "meta"], [id *= "network"], [id *= "pie"], [id *= "popular"], [id *= "respond"], [id *= "rightcontent"], [id *= "right"], [id *= "secondary"], [id *= "scrll"], [id *= "site-header"], [id *= "sticky"], [id *= "tags"], [id *= "top-stories"], [id *= "widgetbox"], aside, footer, section.footer, header#header {display:none !important;}Create a style called GENERIC and use this setting with the most visited sites:
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So... is the end result of all this back and forth basically:
Vivaldi works at the moment, as long as you use uBlock origin.
It'll continue to work until around June 2025.
Then it'll stop working and everyone will have to move to Brave or Firefox. Or put up with being spammed by ads.
I have personally tried everything I could to get Vivaldi adblocker to work to an acceptable level, but it just can't handle it. Youtube by itself is enough to completely baffle vivaldi.
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Which is annoying, because I just spent days tinkering and learning vivaldi and actually liking it. I could stick with it, but if I end up having to change to Firefox (Floorp) in 6 months anyway it would seem like a waste of time. Depends on how much faith people have in the Vivaldi devs that they will somehow manage to upgrade their built-in adblocker from "terrible" to "actually functional" within the next few months.
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@RasheedHolland
For removing elements I am using Violentmonkey.
Not as easy as uBO emelent picker, but more powerful.
Tampermonkey already has a MV3 version available and the difference is that you have to enable the extensions developer mode for it to work. But it works great.
Violentmonkey developer has said that he is also working and will release a MV3 verison of Violentmonkey.
All popular userscript managers will release MV3 versions and they will work. The only thing needed for them to work is to have developer mode enabled.
If Vivaldi under the hood when MV2 gets dropped enables the needed APIs of developer mode by default the user won't even have to enable himself anything manually. -
@electryon, I use the LibertyBear extension, i'ts an ViolentMonkey fork Mv3 I think. But as said in other thread, the best will be an inbuild Script Manager in Vivaldi, the Chrome Store isn't anymore an reliable source for privacy and security tools.
>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@nirin said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
So... is the end result of all this back and forth basically:
Vivaldi works at the moment, as long as you use uBlock origin.
It'll continue to work until around June 2025.
Then it'll stop working and everyone will have to move to Brave or Firefox. Or put up with being spammed by ads.
I have personally tried everything I could to get Vivaldi adblocker to work to an acceptable level, but it just can't handle it. Youtube by itself is enough to completely baffle vivaldi.
st of us don't believe that Vivaldi won't rise to the occasion. They have consistently had our backs.
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…..the Chrome Store isn't anymore an reliable source for privacy and security tools.
On what technical support do you base your assertion that the Chrome store as of July 1st became a place unreliable?
That is, if someone installs uBO today, this "new" one as of July 1st is not reliable and maybe with a virus?
On two other occasions you have made assertions and you have not technically backed up where you got that assertion from.
I have asked you to back up where you got it from and you have not responded:
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This mean, also if Vivaldi, Brave or any other browser can use Mv2 adblockers, like uBO, it will be meaningless when in the next year they can't block ads anymore.
Why do you say that they will not be able to block ads, if the browser maintains MV2?
On what basis do you say that? Where did you read it?
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….the blocker can do what is for in pages prepared for Mv3, that means that the blocker need to surround this limitations,….
Are the pages prepared for MV3?
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Extensions can interact with the page depending on what the manifest allows.it depends entirely of what the page allows, at least of these controlled by Google ad providers (Alphabet).
I am not convinced by your explanation. Where did you read it?
I have to understand that if you have not answered it is because you have not read it from a serious and knowledgeable technician on the subject, and they just came out of your head?
Please, let's keep the forum serious based on facts and not make assertions that are not backed up, especially on this sensitive topic such as MV3, Ads, YouTube and adblocker built-in.
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@Catweazle
If someone wants custom and more rules in Vivaldi native adblocker, their syntax used is ABP, and adblocker is pretty basic but at least supports something advanced as $rewrite, I hope it will get better and be able before MV2 gets dropped to support more advanced syntax and lists.
Btw, ABP already upgraded everyone to MV3 few months ago. Recently Adguard Experimental, became "Adguard MV3 (Beta)" which means they will upgrade everyone with MV2 to MV3 when the time comes for the official version with the ID bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg, they also seem like they finally fixed Scriptlet Injection so now it can be recommended again because you won't see Youtube ads.
The reason why uBlock Lite is going to be 'less powerful' is also a developer choice, he is open about not even providing custom adblock rules in uBlock Lite because "I don't have time to maintain another extension and I want Lite to stay Lite and having custom adblock rules is not lite". It's not a secret Gorhill has been a Firefox user for very long time, and just as he didn't even bother to upload uBlock to Edge extension store and it is maintained by some random person because "I don't use Windows OS" he will do whatever he wants with his project and don't make Lite, less Lite or at least not for now.
PS: I am NOT critizing Gorhill, it's his free time, and he has the right to spend his free time on things he wants to work on. -
@electryon, certainly you can't critizise Gorehill, nor other devs to migrate to Mv3, because they are forced to migrate if they will stay in the stores. But as said before, to block Google ads, it needs adblocker which can do this with the new rules in Mv3.
YouTube is a good terrain for testing how to do it, because next year all pages, which are using Google crap, will go the same way.
The solution for the user certainly can't be found in the stores in the near future, only in own or third party tools/scripts independent from there.
