Your most dystopian movie you ever saw
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@Ryszard I'm not going to argue dictionary definitions, nor between factual documentaries or films based on historical events (no matter how loosely! And I would say the events portrayed in "Apocolypse Now" were pretty damned dystopian......especially if you were there. I wasn't, but at the time the movie came out an American colleague who had served in Vietnam during that pariod said it was a pretty accurate picture of what was going on. Great film, by the way.
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@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
It is plain to see that dystopia = fictional world. Only in the English version does ‘fictionality’ explicitly appear in the following paragraphs.
By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.
Yes ‘The Shadow of the Commandant’ tells of a terrible but real world.I understand your approach, I can comprehend it.
You don't want these horrible things to be trivialized and presented as fiction.
But nobody has done that.By definition, distopia does not only refer to fictional, future events but can also describe present, real and past events.
Distopia does not have the positive basic approach of utopia.
Instead, it describes the dark, criminal, destructive and terrible. -
In the short story „Kraniec świata” - The Edge of the World from the collection „Ostatnie życzenie” - The Last Wish , there is a dialogue in which I find two sentences that are very appropriate to the situation:
Andrzej Sapkowski said in „Kraniec świata”:– Blebleblebeeeeee! - zagulgotał wściekle stwór, przy czym warga rozeszła się szeroko, ukazując żółte końskie zęby. - Uk! Uk! Uk! Bleubeeeubleuuubeeeee!
– Jak najbardziej - kiwnął głową Jaskier. - Katarynka i dzwoneczek są twoje. Gdy będziesz szedł do domu, możesz je zabrać.- for obvious reasons, it makes no sense for me to give these sentences an automatic translation.
- when I read the messages of @Ayespy and the others, who use the word dystopia in a strange way, it's like I'm reading the first sentence of the quoted passage.
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@Ryszard
Interesting, why don't you want to translate these sentences?
I don't see any “obvious reason”.
Is there no translator who can do this properly?
I can hardly imagine.This can only be beneficial for a further discussion.
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@Ryszard Huh! The military tank with soldiers, that is dystopic and reality.
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Who am I even talking to? Are you 15 years old or, on the contrary, are you 15 years short of 90?
@ingolftopf doesn't know how to quote and the @DoctorG calls an SKOT a tank.
I am more and more inclined to the conclusion - you use words whose meaning you do not understand -
@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
@DoctorG calls an SKOT a tank.
OK, i call the vehicle a Schützenpanzer. Panzer = Tank.
What is wrong by this wording? Is it not a tank because of tires? The photography is not really good to recognize.Are you 15 years old
15 × 4 and you nearly get my age.
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@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
@jpaulbiss
The title doesn't mean anything to me at first.
Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?Thank you
link to pirated content removed
Please do not link to pirate sites.
https://vivaldi.com/privacy/community-terms-of-use/Idiocracy IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
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@Ryszard No need to get abusive, Ryszard. I haven't a clue what you're on about either! IMO if you're quoting something in a foreign language to the rest of thread, it's basically good manners to do the translation for the other participants. If you don't then in IMHO it invalidates your entire argument.
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@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
you use words whose meaning you do not understand
Do not blame people for their language speaking issues. That is against forum rules you had accepted with regsistration!
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@DoctorG said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
That is against forum rules you had accepted with regsistration!
As you read and write the news remember:
Some are native English speakers, others have different native languages.
Since 26:05:2024/14:42 there has been an ongoing discussion in the thread you set up - how to understand the topic of this thread i.e. which films to mention in it and which not. Maybe you would like to take a clear position on this instead of pushing the discussion to the side ‘difference between a tank and an armoured personnel carrier’.
@TravellinBob said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
If you don't then in IMHO it invalidates your entire argument.
Would you like to discuss it? I set up a separate thread on this subject yesterday.
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@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
ongoing discussion in the thread you set up - how to understand the topic of this thread i.e. which films to mention in it and which not. Maybe you would like to take a clear position
@ALL
I edited post #1.
For me dystopia is a fictional scenario that represents a dark, frightening and undesirable vision of the future.I dislike that the thread is hijacked on discussion what "Dystopia" is and other things. Was not the goal of the thread.
So, Stay on Topic! - Please!!!!
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Released in 1968, Bergman's Skammen remains my darkest and most disturbing movie experience of all time.
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@DoctorG said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
So, Stay on Topic! - Please!!!!
You mean like this?
Year of manufacture: 1983
The action begins in 1991, which in reality was different from the film. But 2044, when the actual action of the film takes place, is still to come.
What happened in this thread reminded me of another film (in blacks, greys and and sadness i.e. I put it in the ‘thinly-thinly’ category)
Year of manufacture: 1983
The film is set at the end of December ending the 20th century. If we consider the facts then of course they are different from what we remember from reality. But when it comes to characters who either manipulate others or succumb to manipulation themselves, unfortunately - that's what we saw in this thread. -
Blade Runner 2077. With Ryan Gosling, it's such a creepy movie that I haven't even watched it to the end.
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May not have to look for a movie describing a Dysphoric future. Wait and see who gets in the whitehouse. Maybe we are already living in one and don't recognize it.
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@jpaulbiss
Why, Kamala Harris won't do so badly. -
@ingolftopf She had presidential power for a whole 87 minute when Biden was having a check-up. In all that time she did not start a war or insult a head of state. Soooo not presidental material. :sarcasm
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I am surprised, that Clockwork Orange from 1971 has not been mentioned yet.
Great Movie, even tho not that easy to stomach in my opinion. -
@ingolftopf The rnd.de articles reminds me of the Bildzeitung.