Your most dystopian movie you ever saw

Ayespy

@Pesala When buying worms as live bait for fishing when I was a kid, you would get them in a metal can with a handle and lid, and some rich soil. When you opened the can, there would be essentially a mound of wriggling worms. Typically, they would have been placed in the can each morning by the shopkeeper who had an enormous wooden tray full of soil in the back where he grew them.

Nowadays, nightcrawlers for bait are all grown in Canada, and shipped to bait shops in ventilated bags of dry peat moss inside a sturdy ventilated box. Properly stored in a cool enough setting, they can remain alive for weeks.

jpaulbiss

Idiocracy (2006) which was at the time a comedy; but is now being thought of as a documentory.

Ryszard

@ingolftopf, @Ayespy, @Catweazle
Open pages:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopie
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopía
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopia
or others concerning this keyword and use the translator for the opening sentences. It is plain to see that dystopia = fictional world. Only in the English version does ‘fictionality’ explicitly appear in the following paragraphs.
By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.
Yes ‘The Shadow of the Commandant’ tells of a terrible but real world. There should be a separate thread for such films.

ingolftopf

@Ryszard
No offense intended.

But I think we've come to the right place.

ingolftopf

@jpaulbiss
The title doesn't mean anything to me at first.
Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?

Thank you

Ayespy

@Ryszard A dystopia is generally understood to be imagined rather than real. A figurative warning of what could be.

"Dystopian," however, is a descriptive term meaning "of or like a dystopia." There may be no real paradise for instance, but Hawaii could be referred to as "Paradisical," and Death Valley could be referred to "hellish" whether or not there is a real hell. Brobdingnag (Gulliver's Travels) is a fake place, but there are machines of Brobdingnagian (gigantic) proportions. They are real. There are and have been dystopian societies, such as Jonestown, which may have been intended to be utopian, but serve instead as an object lesson to humanity.

That said, I find the amount of seriousness, gravity, importance and significance that have been ladled into this topic somewhat stupefying. Geez. Lighten up.

Ryszard

@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?

The film is not about the real world.
Is the use of a search engine a problem?

Can you cope with finding a link to a non-Polish version?

Ryszard

@Ayespy
In my opinion, you would achieve your goal more quickly and easily by writing ‘My apologies’ and removing the https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/757294 and the rest of the misguided messages - get to work moderator.

Ayespy

@Ryszard Hmmmm... This strikes me as a) unfriendly, and b) and excellent example of how your opinions don't define my job.

I think, for now, I will leave things as they are. Thanks, however, for your oh-so-constructive suggestion.

ingolftopf

@Ryszard
However, you simply can't resist a certain biting irony.

ingolftopf

@Ayespy
Maybe there is a heaven after all.

And we can get in there if we are nice and friendly to people and write nice and friendly.

Even if we get bitten.

Ayespy

@ingolftopf

jpaulbiss

@jpaulbiss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA&list=PL-k8MjlP-bwSfPP1MGGARhcz2kRVduPF8

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdNmOOq6T8Y&list=PL-k8MjlP-bwSfPP1MGGARhcz2kRVduPF8

TravellinBob

@Ryszard - as a resident of Warsaw for 20 odd years and a keen reader of Polish histories by Norman Davies and others, I share your discomfort about the events that happened on Polish soil during WW2 and referenced in some of the dystopian films discussed on this Thread, but I must disagree with your call for more Moderator action. The films deal with histoical facts but in a fictional manner - it's what movie-makers and writers of fiction do (I've done it myself in some of my stories) and that is often what makes them such powerful stories. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

To be honest, I am more concerned, and deeply angry, about the unfolding situation in the Middle East. Israel, a sovereign state created by Holocaust survivors, that has always been a leading voice in the "Never Again" pleas whenever the events in WW2 are discussed - and quite rightly! - are now carrying out similar extermination activities against the residents of Gaza - who are NOT all Hamas supporters and terrorists - with the assistance of weaponry and funding from allies including the USA and (to my personal shame, considering my nationality....) the UK. The sheer hypocrisy of Netanyahu's Zionist government and its complete disregard for human life and the understandable demands from international humanitarian agencies like the UN, the Red Cross and many others, is sickening, never mind dystopian!

Ryszard

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I have a completely different understanding and interpretation of the title of this thread, which is why I will reiterate:
@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.

I make a distinction between a documentary film and a fictional story about historical facts featuring fictional characters. And from a fictional picture in which everything is made up, being a (black or white) vision of the future or an alternative past, whose author uses well-known names or place names. For example, these dystopias:

the jungle depicted in actually exists,
the only link to the reality of is this picture:

TravellinBob

@Ryszard I'm not going to argue dictionary definitions, nor between factual documentaries or films based on historical events (no matter how loosely! And I would say the events portrayed in "Apocolypse Now" were pretty damned dystopian......especially if you were there. I wasn't, but at the time the movie came out an American colleague who had served in Vietnam during that pariod said it was a pretty accurate picture of what was going on. Great film, by the way.

ingolftopf

@Ryszard said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:

It is plain to see that dystopia = fictional world. Only in the English version does ‘fictionality’ explicitly appear in the following paragraphs.
By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.
Yes ‘The Shadow of the Commandant’ tells of a terrible but real world.

I understand your approach, I can comprehend it.

You don't want these horrible things to be trivialized and presented as fiction.
But nobody has done that.

By definition, distopia does not only refer to fictional, future events but can also describe present, real and past events.

Distopia does not have the positive basic approach of utopia.
Instead, it describes the dark, criminal, destructive and terrible.

Ryszard

In the short story „Kraniec świata” - The Edge of the World from the collection „Ostatnie życzenie” - The Last Wish , there is a dialogue in which I find two sentences that are very appropriate to the situation:
Andrzej Sapkowski said in „Kraniec świata”:

– Blebleblebeeeeee! - zagulgotał wściekle stwór, przy czym warga rozeszła się szeroko, ukazując żółte końskie zęby. - Uk! Uk! Uk! Bleubeeeubleuuubeeeee!
– Jak najbardziej - kiwnął głową Jaskier. - Katarynka i dzwoneczek są twoje. Gdy będziesz szedł do domu, możesz je zabrać.

for obvious reasons, it makes no sense for me to give these sentences an automatic translation.
when I read the messages of @Ayespy and the others, who use the word dystopia in a strange way, it's like I'm reading the first sentence of the quoted passage.

ingolftopf

@Ryszard
Interesting, why don't you want to translate these sentences?
I don't see any “obvious reason”.
Is there no translator who can do this properly?
I can hardly imagine.

This can only be beneficial for a further discussion.

DoctorG

@Ryszard Huh! The military tank with soldiers, that is dystopic and reality.