Your most dystopian movie you ever saw
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@DoctorG you've opened a can of worms with this thread.
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@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
'Er ist wieder da', 2015
"Look Who's Back (German: Er ist wieder da, pronounced [ˈeːɐ̯ ʔɪst ˈviːdɐ daː]; transl. "He's back again/He is again there") is a 2015 German satirical black comedy film directed by David Wnendt and based on the 2012 novel of the same name by Timur Vermes.[3][4][5][6][7] The film features unscripted vignettes of Oliver Masucci as Adolf Hitler interacting with ordinary Germans, interspersed with scripted storyline sequences.[8] It was listed as one of eight films that could be the German submission for the Best Foreign Language Film at the 89th Academy Awards, but it was not selected.[9]
Plot
In 2014, Adolf Hitler wakes up in the Berlin park where his Führerbunker once stood. Disoriented, he wanders through the city, interpreting modern situations from a wartime perspective. Mistaken for an impersonator, Hitler encounters a mime and an anxious young mother, the latter of which pepper-sprays him. He faints after reading a newspaper stating the year is 2014. ..."Another excellent film that is well worth seeing.
I also used this movie as a basis for several discussion rounds.
Once again, participants with extreme right-wing views were present, albeit always in the minority.
Some of these discussions led to astonishing results.Simply a brilliant movie too.
I haven't sen the film, but read the book a few years ago - I thoiught it was brilliant!
Travellin Bob
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@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
@DoctorG you've opened a can of worms with this thread.
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It's great, isn't it? "Love can-of-worms" threads....Travellin Bob
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@TravellinBob
Yes, it is, like the movie.
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@TravellinBob Wouldn’t canned worms be dead when the can was opened, so not much of a problem? A bit messy perhaps, like a can of spaghetti.
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I fear that the worms are not only alive, but that they continue to multiply, depending on the zeitgeist and the current situation.
That's why it's important to recognize them, talk about them and deal with them.
As difficult as this sometimes is.
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@Pesala When buying worms as live bait for fishing when I was a kid, you would get them in a metal can with a handle and lid, and some rich soil. When you opened the can, there would be essentially a mound of wriggling worms. Typically, they would have been placed in the can each morning by the shopkeeper who had an enormous wooden tray full of soil in the back where he grew them.
Nowadays, nightcrawlers for bait are all grown in Canada, and shipped to bait shops in ventilated bags of dry peat moss inside a sturdy ventilated box. Properly stored in a cool enough setting, they can remain alive for weeks.
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Idiocracy (2006) which was at the time a comedy; but is now being thought of as a documentory.
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@ingolftopf, @Ayespy, @Catweazle
Open pages:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopie
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopía
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distopia
or others concerning this keyword and use the translator for the opening sentences. It is plain to see that dystopia = fictional world. Only in the English version does ‘fictionality’ explicitly appear in the following paragraphs.
By putting ‘Schindler's List’ or ‘The Zone of Interest’ in this thread you are announcing to everyone - Auschwitz, Plaszow, the Holocaust and the rest of the world depicted in these films are as much fiction as the world 'Blade Runner', 'Metropolis', 'Idiocracy'.
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@Ryszard
No offense intended.But I think we've come to the right place.
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@jpaulbiss
The title doesn't mean anything to me at first.
Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?Thank you
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@Ryszard A dystopia is generally understood to be imagined rather than real. A figurative warning of what could be.
"Dystopian," however, is a descriptive term meaning "of or like a dystopia." There may be no real paradise for instance, but Hawaii could be referred to as "Paradisical," and Death Valley could be referred to "hellish" whether or not there is a real hell. Brobdingnag (Gulliver's Travels) is a fake place, but there are machines of Brobdingnagian (gigantic) proportions. They are real. There are and have been dystopian societies, such as Jonestown, which may have been intended to be utopian, but serve instead as an object lesson to humanity.
That said, I find the amount of seriousness, gravity, importance and significance that have been ladled into this topic somewhat stupefying. Geez. Lighten up.
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@ingolftopf said in Your most dystopian movie you ever saw:
Could you post the poster and a short description and perhaps a link here?
The film is not about the real world.
Is the use of a search engine a problem?
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@Ayespy
In my opinion, you would achieve your goal more quickly and easily by writing ‘My apologies’ and removing the https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/757294 and the rest of the misguided messages - get to work moderator. -
@Ryszard Hmmmm... This strikes me as a) unfriendly, and b) and excellent example of how your opinions don't define my job.
I think, for now, I will leave things as they are. Thanks, however, for your oh-so-constructive suggestion.
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@Ryszard
However, you simply can't resist a certain biting irony. 
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@Ayespy
Maybe there is a heaven after all.And we can get in there if we are nice and friendly to people and write nice and friendly.
Even if we get bitten.
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@Ryszard - as a resident of Warsaw for 20 odd years and a keen reader of Polish histories by Norman Davies and others, I share your discomfort about the events that happened on Polish soil during WW2 and referenced in some of the dystopian films discussed on this Thread, but I must disagree with your call for more Moderator action. The films deal with histoical facts but in a fictional manner - it's what movie-makers and writers of fiction do (I've done it myself in some of my stories) and that is often what makes them such powerful stories. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.
To be honest, I am more concerned, and deeply angry, about the unfolding situation in the Middle East. Israel, a sovereign state created by Holocaust survivors, that has always been a leading voice in the "Never Again" pleas whenever the events in WW2 are discussed - and quite rightly! - are now carrying out similar extermination activities against the residents of Gaza - who are NOT all Hamas supporters and terrorists - with the assistance of weaponry and funding from allies including the USA and (to my personal shame, considering my nationality....) the UK. The sheer hypocrisy of Netanyahu's Zionist government and its complete disregard for human life and the understandable demands from international humanitarian agencies like the UN, the Red Cross and many others, is sickening, never mind dystopian!
