Arching Floorpians

ybjrepnfr

@npro oh yay, it's come already, lovely [i don't know why but somehow i had the wrong idea it wasn't coming til the next big version jump].

heehee, so now you have another reason making it hard for you to go back to ffn

npro

@ybjrepnfr I found a good trade-off, on my old system (based on linux-lts) -which I regularly use- I continue using Floorp (where V-HWA works like a charm), and on my newer system (based on linux) I do what I said with V. and the auto-stack . Which btw gave me the opportunity to ask for another enhancement (who knows what the future can bring...)

ybjrepnfr

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

who knows what the future can bring

ybjrepnfr

oh no no noooooooooooooo

now i feel sad.

npro

@ybjrepnfr

In the past there have been upgrades from Floorp 8 to 10 and 10 to 11.
It is only about the release date

So if I am understanding that right, they mean that previous ESR "moves" were somehow delayed but now they will try to be more punctual?

:damnit:

In this summer (northern hemisphere) I think I should take some meditation lessons...

ybjrepnfr

@npro yes, prolly me too. cutterknife is not the dev, but does seem to work closely with the dev in some kind of supporting role, so it prolly means we have to accept this advice now might be accurate, despite it... IMO... apparently contradicting what i thought the dev themselves said recently. as such, this news today upset me so much that i began trying, yet again, to see if i could make myself be "happy" back in ffn. alas, the missing webpanels, & missing split tab view, are really hard to accept. so, maybe i should just come back to vivaldi? but that also feels uncomfy, coz i really really don't want to be stuck with chromium again, & i also definitely can't be happy with vivaldi's shitty tabs management compared to sidebery. all in all, this news today is a big bummer.

npro

@ybjrepnfr yes that's why I was saying I'm also on a crappy situation atm

Let's give it some time, we can go through it... "ommm" "ommm"

ybjrepnfr

@npro i'm just centring my chakra atm, inside my glass pyramid, clutching my purple crystals.

oooooh, poiple...

ybjrepnfr

@ybjrepnfr oh, bugger it! tis my 23:20 atm. am gonna make myself a cuppa black tea, then update all my ffn bookmarks, containers, cookies, uBO & stylus AO data, et al, from floorp, then... tomorrow i'm gonna try to use only ffn all day, not floorp.

i created an extra tabs-panel specifically for those sites i use as webpanels in floorp. it's far less useful than an actual dedicated sidebar, but i'll see if i can live with it.

for the tab view splitting, i still have the Tile Tabs WE AO installed, which i'll keep using, even though it never works as well with sidebery as it does with tst.

damnit!

ybjrepnfr

@ybjrepnfr hey @npro, would you kindly pls check & tell me if your latest ffn atm is misbehaving wrt scaling sidebery correctly within its panel / sidebar width?

npro

@ybjrepnfr ok... for you I'll do it

...

you are right, dragging the side handle doesn't scale anything . (ffn128.0a1/sdb5.2.0)

So... ESR is actually the right choice and yet another reason to stay with Floorp after all (the meditation seemed to have worked... it has led you to that path of... enlightment... "ommm" )

ybjrepnfr

@npro ta.

happily, this morn's ffn update fixed the problem;

Version 128.0a1 (2024-05-30)

Nightly 128.0a1 (20240530213713)
Details
Installed on: 31 May 2024 at 11:05:02
Status: The Update was successfully installed

however, i'm losing my mind atm troubleshooting why a site that works fine in floorp is malfunctioning in ffn [before & after the latest updates]. sigh, one step forward, two steps back.

ps: it also fails in ordinary ff. finally i tried it in snappie; hahaha, it fails in an excitingly innovative way i've never seen before. It loads the page, & i briefly see the contents, but less than a second later the page goes black, with only this fun msg:

Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information).

hilarious.

ybjrepnfr

and the contest of contradictory opinions continues.

https://redlib.freedit.eu/r/Floorp/comments/1d32yz6/what_exactly_is_coming_with_floorp_12/l6cj2gn/?context=3

Moving away from ESR, which is big, we will get all the speed boost and features from new Firefox.

so i think my best policy atm, rather than trying to discover if i should be happy or sad, is instead just to be utterly confused. now that's something at which i'm especially good!

ybjrepnfr

this url https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8646843/jenna-price-is-australia-still-a-racist-country/ & other ones on that domain, opens perfectly in floorp, & dodges its paywall entirely, such that i have unfettered access to the content... in floorp. otoh, i simply cannot make it work in ff & ffn [including a virgin profile for the latter]; the paywall kills it every time. even after several hours of side-by-side comparison of my floorp vs ffn settings, uBO filters, & user.js, i still have no idea why floorp works & ff/ffn will not.

for giggles i also tested it in vivaldi snappie. in my default profile it fails identically to ff & ffn via the paywall, but weirdly if i then activate reader view, i can access the full contents. then i wondered if i could use the same trick in ffn, only to find that r/v is not even offered there for that site, & when i force it via the url prefix about:reader?url=, the contents are empty.

other than this annoyance, today's experimental use of ffn not floorp was successful, & i was intending to keep going this way over coming days, but... now that i've discovered a site i do use now & then, which is great in floorp but hopeless in ffn, i wonder if i should abandon the experiment, return to floorp, & just suck it up that it's so old [being esr].

why is this browser stuff so frustrating?

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

confused

They said officially

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

Floorp is in the process of cleaning up its codebase to move from ESR-based to Rapid Release-based.

"Rapid Release" is a term clearly defined for Firefox so I'd say it's valid. But, given the fact that they are changing their minds every 2 weeks or so, nobody knows if they are going to stick with it

I'd say just wait for mid-July then we should know for sure ; and not read their reddit so much

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

i still have no idea why floorp works & ff/ffn will not.

v. 115?

it was indeed funny seeing Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information). after 1 second

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ybjrepnfr

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

v. 115?

yes, i have wondered about that. i suppose the question is whether the floorp dev baked-in some special magic settings, or alternatively if even ordinary ff-esr would also work for this domain? if the former, then the answer is simple, i need to stay with floorp & give up thinking about returning to ffn. if the latter, then it's a bit depressing coz it means that once floorp rebases [or even just jumps to the latest esr if not rebasing], this domain will also stop working in floorp. hmmm, do i feel curious enough to try d/l & installing plain ff esr to test?

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

try d/l & installing plain ff esr to test?

sounds like the next logical step

ybjrepnfr

@npro

ybjrepnfr

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

sounds like the next logical step

done, in a vm. result:

brand new installed ff-esr 115.11.0esr also fails to open the article, being also blocked by the paywall.

so, floorp really does seem to have some extra special voodoo magic going on!