Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?
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@DoctorG I see. Then, if there is no other way of introducing this feature, I guess it was me who did not understand.
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@karolleon said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
I am using the aforementioned iCloud Passwords, for exactly this reason - that it supports 2FA. On iPhone, it makes even less sense to use Vivaldi's built-in password manager, since for some websites which use 2FA for login I would still need to be using a password manager that supports it. So, basically, the absence of 2FA support in Vivaldi makes its password manager a neat, but kinda useless feature.
I didn't know about the iCloud Passwords extension, I suppose it allows you to automatically fill in the 2FA codes? But I get what you're saying, for you as an Apple user it would be nice to have this feature too in Vivaldi.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/icloud-passwords/pejdijmoenmkgeppbflobdenhhabjlaj
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@DoctorG said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
The password manager is a Chromium core feature and when Chromium gets 2FA secured password manager then Vivaldi will inhertits it. That's the fact.
@karolleon said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
@DoctorG I see. Then, if there is no other way of introducing this feature, I guess it was me who did not understand.
No you didn't misunderstand.
Vivaldi could either build a 2FA authenticator as a standalone feature, which works separately from Chromium's built-in password manager. Or they could build a completely new password manager with better encryption and 2FA support.
Popular password managers (Bitwarden, 1Password, RoboForm) all offer 2FA authenticators (not for free), but the problem is that those apps need to be running in memory all of the time, which costs RAM usage. And overall I didn't really like how they integrate with the browser, so that's why I still use Vivaldi's built-in password manager.
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@RasheedHolland 2FA secured password manager is the similar to feature request masterpassword protected password manager.
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@DoctorG said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
@RasheedHolland 2FA secured password manager is the similar to feature request masterpassword protected password manager.
No, you're misunderstanding, that's not exactly the same. That's simply to protect other users of your PC from getting access to your autofill passwords, see link. I would like to see a more secure password manager in Vivaldi, however even with the current one from Chromium, Vivaldi could still add a 2FA authenticator feature.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-primary-password-protect-stored-logins
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I understand 2FA like this; having 2FA can be
- for extra authentication with TOTP and hardware keys on a website
- unlock of a password before inserting it password field on a website
You want Point 1?
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@DoctorG said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
I understand 2FA like this; having 2FA can be
- for extra authentication with TOTP and hardware keys on a website
- unlock of a password before inserting it password field on a website
You want Point 1?
Yes exactly. Of course we're then talking about TOTP, because hardware keys are already supported in Windows and Vivaldi. Sadly enough, many websites don't support hardware security keys. But most support TOTP, but having to use a separate 2FA app can become a bit of a hassle.
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@RasheedHolland said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
I didn't know about the iCloud Passwords extension, I suppose it allows you to automatically fill in the 2FA codes?
Yup, exactly. It’s very handy. On Apple products, it’s integrated seamlessly, obviously. On Windows, it works on Chrome-based browsers, and, just like you wrote, it automatically generates and fills in the codes. Only thing is you need to first authorise the extension with a code generated by one of your Apple products. Which isn’t too big of a deal, since you only need to do it once per session.
But I get what you're saying, for you as an Apple user it would be nice to have this feature too in Vivaldi.
True. If Vivaldi’s password manager supported 2FA, I wouldn’t need to go through the extra step on Windows AND I wouldn’t have to deal with this clunky UI which on Vivaldi on iOS is a result of having two password managers active. When you compare how the UI looks and behaves on Safari and on Vivaldi, the former is so much more elegant.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/icloud-passwords/pejdijmoenmkgeppbflobdenhhabjlaj
That’s the one. I know it has a low rating, but I personally haven’t had any problems with the extension.
@RasheedHolland said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
No you didn't misunderstand.
Vivaldi could either build a 2FA authenticator as a standalone feature, which works separately from Chromium's built-in password manager. Or they could build a completely new password manager with better encryption and 2FA support.
+1 on this, then. It would be great to have it integrated into Vivaldi.
And overall I didn't really like how they integrate with the browser, so that's why I still use Vivaldi's built-in password manager.
Same here. I used to use Enpass (which, by the way, is free on Windows and only costs some money on mobile), but I prefer the iCloud Passwords experience.
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@karolleon said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
Yup, exactly. It’s very handy. On Apple products, it’s integrated seamlessly, obviously. On Windows, it works on Chrome-based browsers, and, just like you wrote, it automatically generates and fills in the codes. Only thing is you need to first authorise the extension with a code generated by one of your Apple products. Which isn’t too big of a deal, since you only need to do it once per session.
To me it's indeed about convenience. At the moment I have chosen to trust my browser, which means that websites will not ask me for a 2FA code each and every time. But this is less secure, so if I was able to fill in the 2FA code with only one or two clicks, I would disable this ''trust this device'' feature. Currently I'm using a 2FA desktop authenticator app which works well, but is a bit of a hassle, it's just too many steps.
Same here. I used to use Enpass (which, by the way, is free on Windows and only costs some money on mobile), but I prefer the iCloud Passwords experience.
Yes, I have never liked it, I've tried Enpass and RoboForm, and perhaps they have been improved since then, but it was a hassle and didn't work out of the box. Besides this, they have to run in memory all of the time, and they need to communicate with the browser, which in theory is a security risk.
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@karolleon said in Vivaldi with built-in 2FA authenticator?:
True. If Vivaldi’s password manager supported 2FA, I wouldn’t need to go through the extra step on Windows AND I wouldn’t have to deal with this clunky UI which on Vivaldi on iOS is a result of having two password managers active. When you compare how the UI looks and behaves on Safari and on Vivaldi, the former is so much more elegant.
BTW, I just discovered that Proton also has a password manager named Proton Pass, it's not a desktop app but an extension. But if I look at the features, this is exactly how I envision it should be implemented in Vivaldi.
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We all know about the Vivaldi browser's capabilities in many ways. What I Don't understand is that why it seems complicated to add a 2fa feature just like the way "Proton Pass" does. Is it insurmountable for the developer team to deal with and add this feature to its already multifunctional abilities?
