How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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A famous Roman saying went:
"Caesar's wife must not only be honorable, but must also appear to be so."
With Browsers the saying would be:
"Browsers should not only promote themselves as focused on privacy but also must be."
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@barbudo2005, I'm not saying that Ulaa isn't, after all Zoho is a good and well-known company, I'm just saying that Ulaa doesn't particularly stand out when it comes to privacy issues, apart from the usual privacy settings of any Chromium.
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I'm sick of hearing users who maintain after 8 years the paranoia of distrusting Vivaldi, with phrases like:
1.- But it can only do this, if it really raises the bar.…. is there a list of Chrome/Chromium features that are disabled in Vivaldi?
2.- Has the unique ID been removed?
3.- Etc. Etc. Etc.
And they keep looking to see if there are "other browsers" that are more private.
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@barbudo2005 That is why this forum has a block feature.
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That is why this forum has a block feature.
I am not worried about myself, but about the mental contamination that these characters introduce into the minds of new users, who enter into doubt.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, well, Ulaa isn't bad, but not specially private, more than other normal Chromium fork, it's a proprietary Browser, made by Zoho with the same PP and TOS of any Zoho product. Nothing way different of any Chromium.
OK I see, didn't know that it was made by Zoho. Of course, you never know if these browsers are truly good for privacy, I mean they can simply make up lies.
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@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I'm sick of hearing users who maintain after 8 years the paranoia of distrusting Vivaldi, with phrases like:
1.- But it can only do this, if it really raises the bar.…. is there a list of Chrome/Chromium features that are disabled in Vivaldi?
2.- Has the unique ID been removed?
3.- Etc. Etc. Etc.
And they keep looking to see if there are "other browsers" that are more private.
You need to calm down. I think you misunderstand certain people like myself. It's not that I don't trust Vivaldi, but I would like to see more privacy focused features in Vivaldi, so that it will attract more people. Vivaldi is currently focused on being the browser with the most useful features, this is cool, but it should also compete more with Brave, Firefox, Epic, Ulaa and Librewolf when it comes to privacy features, that's all I'm saying.
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@RasheedHolland, well, privacy is quite relative. The question isn't that the browser hide all data, but it's a greate difference protecting private data or tecnical data. You can protect both, yes, but the price is, when you protect strong tecnical data, most pages will break or give strange results. Vivaldi protect personal data 100% but with tecnical data it's to find a balance of things which make sense and those which not.
Fingerprint is one of these things, it is not so important that webpages know your OS, your Screen resolution and in which country you are, because this are data which are the same for millons of others, but allows the page to show you the page in a correct format and in your lengage, which is the main reason for this data. Your public IP and your ISP is shown anyway if you don't use an VPN in every browser.
Any browser, also Firefox and Brave need extensions to complete the privacy and security, yes or yes. In Vivaldi yo can protect you with the inbuild blocker and maybe the Canvas Blocker extensions. The inbuild blocker can be improved more with some filterlists, even avoid Cookie advices and other pop up, but the same problen if you add too many filters, you wil be afe and private, but half of the pages you visit don't work anymore and your browsing will slow down a lot
PS Brave, nor Firefox are so private as you think, Brave protect you from ads, except from those of it's sponsores, like Facebook and worst, shady crypto.companies.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/brave.com?stars=2
Mozilla even use tracking cookies, sending (account) data to Alphabet, googleanalytics and google-tagmanager, Vivaldi send nothing to third parties.
All browser say, that they are private, even Chrome and EDGE, because of this is important to read TOS and PP of every software and services, this shows how privat they are in fact. The text of these must especific all measures how they treat and protect your data and if these a shared with third parties or not, because they are legal contract documents which you accept or not, important is the company eyjic respect the user. The rest depends on the search engine you use and your common sense
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
@RasheedHolland, well, privacy is quite relative.
PS Brave, nor Firefox are so private as you think, Brave protect you from ads, except from those of it's sponsores, like Facebook and worst, shady crypto.companies.
Yes, I know that Brave and Firefox are probably not as privacy friendly as they portray themselves.
But to me it's about getting Vivaldi to the next level when it comes to both privacy and security. We all know that Google is going to cripple adblockers this year, so Vivaldi should come up with a more powerful and handy adblocker, similar to Ghostery and uBlock Origin.
Vivaldi could also add protection against certain types of fingerprinting and protection against cookie tracking. Vivaldi could develop its own more secure password manager with 2FA code generator, instead of relying on the insecure one of Chromium. This is the type of stuff I would like to see.
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Fingerprinting-Protections
https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/14/23166537/firefox-privacy-total-cookie-protection-default
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-safaris-built-in-2fa-code-generator-and-why-you-should/ -
@RasheedHolland, the Vivaldi adblocker does its job (better than the one Brave has), the difference with eg.uBO is, that it lacks the possibility to block selectivly certain elements with the context menu, like uBO can do, but this is on the other side also not a feature used very often.
Worst the fingerprint protection, which is a flaw in Vivaldi, but easy to fix with the Canvas Blocker extension or similar.As said before, every browser need extensions, in Firefox it is uBO and in Vivaldi the Canvaas Blocker, also Brave can't be used without to cover some flaws it has, due to the Chromium limitations.
But also that the main privacy problem isn't the browser itself (at least if you use other than Chrome, EDGE or Opera), but the search engine, the browser with the best privacy protection, even using a VPN, can't protect you when you search with Google or Bing, or you are sharing data in Fakebook.
All other you can easy fix in a simple way:
Visit Browserleaks or Device Info, run the tests and adjust your settings to patch the holes.
Adjust your Blocking filters using the Adblock Test page.Vivaldi will surely improve these aspects, but this also depends on the path that Google is going to take and the challenges that the Vivaldi team faces to gut the Chromium base. In the meantime there is little point in worrying too much about minor privacy issues in Vivaldi.
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@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Vivaldi will surely improve these aspects, but this also depends on the path that Google is going to take and the challenges that the Vivaldi team faces to gut the Chromium base. In the meantime there is little point in worrying too much about minor privacy issues in Vivaldi.
That's the thing, I'm not that worried, because otherwise I would switch to Brave and Firefox. But it's just that I want Vivaldi to be the best in everything, in terms of features, speed and security.
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@RasheedHolland, like everyone here and Vivaldi is on the right track, I think.
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Recently I've seen a notice from Tampermonkey plugin that Chrome will soon only allow scripts injection into pages only in developer mode, there is a new "userScripts" API and corresponding permission in the manifest for that. It is a very unpleasant change in Chromium, and I want to believe that Vivaldi will not force users to enable developer mode for using extensions like Tampermonkey...
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@MVV_, in Vivaldi in Developer mode you can even install the scripts direct as extension, without the need of Tampermonkey, Violentmonkey or Greasymonkey.
I don't think Vivaldi is very affected by Mv3, but I do think it would be desirable for Vivaldi to have its own app store, at least with the most essential extensions. The problem is the availability in the Chrome Store of certain extensions, where I see certain privacy extensions only in their "decaffeinated" form, similar to what happens in Google Playstore regarding apps compared to the versions on F-Droid.
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The point is that that user scripts should be available without enabling developer mode, and upcoming changes in Chrome are trying to break this, but Vivaldi should leave the choice to us.
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@MVV_ , in the extension page, I've enabled Developer mode by default. Anyway the problem isn't Vivaldi, there always you can install what you want, it's the availability of extensions in the Chrome Store, which is surely altered with Mv3, some privacy extensions that Google did not like have already been eliminated. Poor Chrome users.
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Well, developer mode should be enabled in browser globally (it is a switch that e.g. allows installing unpacked extensions), not in an extension settings, and it has many effects.
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@MVV_ Write a feature request.
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Said:
…...I want to believe that Vivaldi will not force users to enable developer mode for using extensions like Tampermonkey...
What is the problem with having enabled the developer mode?
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