How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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From what I understood, this change to Chromium will limit adblockers like uBlock quite severely. So I wonder if Vivaldi will be able to block this like Firefox (link 2) and if not, what about developing a more advanced built-in adblocker with a GUI similar to uBlock or Ghostery?
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964509/google-manifest-v3-rollout-ad-blockers
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/17/23559234/firefox-manifest-v3-content-ad-blocker -
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PPathduck moved this topic from Vivaldi for Windows on -
@RasheedHolland, see here what the Vivaldi devs said
https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/
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@ingolftopf Said:
This will be an exciting story.
I hope this serie has a happy ending in its last episode.
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@barbudo2005,sure, I think Google underestimates the Cobra effect. Vivaldi has very good devs.
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@Catweazle
Nicely put.I was unaware of the Cobra effect.
"Improve worse" (in German Verschlimmbessern)
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@RasheedHolland said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964509/google-manifest-v3-rollout-ad-blockers
"Correction November 16th, 9:41PM ET: Firefox is based on Gecko, not Chromium. We regret the error."
What’s a manifest?
A manifest tells the browser all sorts of information about an extension, from what its name and version number are, to what permissions it’ll use and what versions of a browser it’ll run on. New versions of the Manifest file format used by the browsers change what features extensions have access to and can mandate changes. For example, Manifest V3 in Chrome no longer allows a developer to load code from a remote server.just pathetic, she knew what a manifest is but not on which engine Firefox is based... Tech "journalism" at its finest
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@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Look this post:
Thanks, I've read the posts. But I didn't get a clear answer, hopefully a Vivaldi developer can respond. So the question is if they can block this Manifest V3 stuff, and if not, will they develop a more advanced built-in adblocker that isn't affected by any limits.
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Several moderators have already said it, we will not have an official answer until the moment it is official. So be patient.
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@barbudo2005 it seems that some peeps are inclined to demand rigidly defined areas of doubt & uncertainty.
Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
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@ybjrepnfr Said:
…..defined areas of doubt & uncertainty.
You have no doubts or uncertainties because you will continue to use uBO with Floorp.
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@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
Several moderators have already said it, we will not have an official answer until the moment it is official. So be patient.
Well, this is a bit weird to wait so long for an answer. Why don't developers simply tell if they have plans to beef up the built-in adblocker? Because it's clear by now that extension based blockers will be limited.
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@RasheedHolland Said:
Why don't developers simply tell if they have plans to beef up the built-in adblocker?
There is no doubt about that. Vivaldi will improve its built-in blocker.
The unknown that we must wait for is how will it do it?
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@RasheedHolland I’m solely using the inbuilt blocker for about half a year now and got no issues and I ran a highly customized ublock prior. They wouldn’t have to change anything and it would be fine for people who know how blocklists work. Problem is people don’t know and want something with aggressive defaults, but that isn’t likely to happen.
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@luetage Said:
They wouldn’t have to change anything….
But you will agree with me that there are areas for improvement at the very least, such as accepting all the list types that uBO accepts.
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@barbudo2005 Yeah, sure, but you can get by perfectly fine without it. People are currently panicking over nothing though. What I do agree with is that steps need to be taken to prevent an exodus from Vivaldi and potentially bring in users who flee Chrome. The sad thing is nothing but a 1:1 ublock stand in will satisfy this crowd and I don’t see this happening. So there, what now?
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@luetage Said:
...but you can get by perfectly fine without it. People are currently panicking over nothing though.
I am not so clear about that, since the trend that Google is following with YT will not stop increasing on all websites, since Google benefits from ads not only on their sites; therefore it will require a growing power more and more.
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What I do agree with is that steps need to be taken to prevent an exodus from Vivaldi and potentially bring in users who flee Chrome.
Those are exactly the improvements I am referring to.
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The sad thing is nothing but a 1:1 ublock stand in will satisfy this crowd…
Unfortunately a cure for paranoia has not yet been found and there is clearly a lot of it in that crowd.
And I'm not just talking about ads but privacy in general.
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@luetage said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
you can get by perfectly fine without it. People are currently panicking over nothing though
well some peeps might be, but others are not being histrionic, but are being rational. notwithstanding how many times some posters wish to say otherwise, static block lists by themselves [aka, vivaldi's native tool, afaict] are not not NOT a match for the lists PLUS user-configurable dynamic filter rules [ie,
uBO]. once gargle complete their impending malarkey re mv2/mv3 next year, & chromium-based browsers will only be able to useuBOLnotuBO, users choosing to retain those browsers will incur a notable degradation [unless they were only using uBO in simple mode, & without cosmetic filtering, element blocking etc].that's gonna be the final nail in the coffin for many users [albeit still only a global minority overall given the disinterest "ordinary" peeps have for the sort of stuff peeps chew over in this forum] compounding vivaldi's existing inability to:
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cname-uncloaking - allow
html5 canvas fingerprintspoofing https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/699024 - spoof or block
HTTP/2 Fingerprintinghttps://forum.vivaldi.net/post/718534
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